Talk:Alex

Not evil?

Hrmm... This just occured to me, though it probably occured to others long ago: Right when it's apparent to the Wise One that the Mars Lighthouse is going to be lit, he starts warning everyone away from Mt.Aleph and the Lighthouses, so everyone has long evacuated Vale right when the Golden Sun forms and bathes Mt.Aleph's peak. Meaning that when Alex tries to summon a storm on Vale right afterwards, it's just a bunch of empty houses. Now, we don't know if Alex was aware of the status of the town at this time, but if he could see that the town was empty and nobody was going to be physically harmed by his storm, that would be strong indication that he's not the embodiment of evil that everyone believes. He was just excited with his power, that's all. Heh. Erik Jensen ^{(Appreciate me here!)} 17:44, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, because causing willful, wanton destruction of an entire village which holds the entirety of some people's lives, their treasures, their livelihoods, their histories, is not at all evil. Oh, that wacky Alex! Dracobolt 14:23, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Now keep in mind you can always edit the In Fan Circles section yourself should you so feel like it. ;) Erik Jensen ^{(Appreciate me here!)} 17:40, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

"Just then, Erik felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Neutral Points of View had cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced." Dracobolt 19:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

On Wikipedia itself Kyarorain disagreed that Alex should count as an antagonist because he never actually fights either Felix's party or Isaac's, and that he heals you in Jupiter Lighthouse and prevents physically harmful stuff going on between Felix's party and Karst and Agatio. [1] Sure, this was two years ago, but still it's kinda funny in this case. :P Erik Jensen ^{(Appreciate me here!)} 23:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

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It's hard to say if he's really evil or not cause in Dark Dawn it's confirmed end game that he's Arcanus. And while he's manipulating the party the whole time, oddly at the end after having them activate the Eclipse Tower which harmed the world he then HELPED them power the Apollo Lens to save it. his motives are mysterious even now and I suspect a game to come might finally explain it.--Avariss 10:46, 6 December 2010 (CST)

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Japanese name

Um... Arekusu is kind of how Alex is spelled in Katakana, so his name is Alex in the Japanese version... the r becomes 'l' and the us are omitted so that 'kusu' becomes the 'x' sound... so it's kind of awkward to claim his Japanese name is Arekusu. It would be like saying Sonic is called Sonikku and Link is called Rinku in Japanese... Kyarorain 10:40, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I don't know these things! I was just adding that based off of this. I make mistakes too. I'm only human! Don't look at me like that! (grabs a paper sack and cuts out eye holes) The world's hungriest paperweight 15:07, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Hence why I changed it. Standard format on transliteration and translation is that you give the Kanji/Kana, followed by an italicised interpretation of that meaning. It doesn't really mean much to people to give just the approximated sound of that in Japanese, written in Latin-type. So here, it's "Alex (アレクス, Alex) is a…" while in the infobox it's Japname=アレクス Alex. Marandahir (talk) 12:58, 19 February 2013 (CST)

Alex's "weapon"

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What makes you so sure those are nunchucks? Personally, I can't tell what they are, but they don't quite look like what I always thought nunchucks look like. One of the things seems longer than the other, and it has something else sticking out of it. Personally, they always looked more like containers to me (what Alex might be carrying in them, or what could even be held in them in the first place, is another question entirely). Now, I know there's a good chance I'm wrong this time, but I'm just not convinced, and if I'm right then I want to address this "weapon" issue sooner rather than later. The world's hungriest paperweight 04:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I had brought it up on the Temple of Kraden, and some believed it's merely a couple canisters Alex keeps on his belt. Frankly, it being just as possibly a container as it is nunchaku, along with the fact that whatever it is plays no role at all in Golden Sun games, leads me to think it's a trivial detail that does NOT deserve to be dissected. Erik Jensen ^{(Appreciate me here!)} 05:40, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

To me, one looks like a container but the other one could just as easily be a sheath.--Tzion 05:36, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Two Warps

Alex uses two different animations when warping. Could these actually be different abilities.--Tzion 05:38, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

a "small" error

on alex page its say that only mia and alex can open the seal lighthouse but that is not true since the two kids from imil are desedants from the mercury clan some more proof that they are mercury adepts is the end schene where they are talking to you is it ok if i change this small error in his page? --Brandonallison 17:28, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I can understand why you'd believe that, but the way they call themselves "members of the Mercury Clan" and are the "students" of Mia suggests that it's not necessarily in their blood and that they are more like normal kids Mia has been attempting to train. While they have the abilities of a Great Healer, you don't see them having possession of the Mercury Clan power of Ply, which is exactly what is needed to enter Mercury Lighthouse's interior; therefore, Mia and Alex are the only two people near Mercury Lighthouse that are outright known to have the capacity to enter it (notice I said "near Mercury Lighthouse", which is important; Piers can use Ply, so he could probably enter it on his own as well, but he's irrelevant at this point in the story). Notice when you first meet Mia and the Mercury Lighthouse briefly glows outside, she starts to say "Only I can enter Mercury Lighthouse" before realizing it must therefore be Alex entering it; this by itself seems to rule out that the two kids have the capacity to enter Mercury Lighthouse on their own at all. Lastly, when Justin and Megan are at the base of Mercury Lighthouse at the end of TLA (they're standing right outside the entrance, meaning they didn't enter Mercury Lighthouse's interior), their capacity to commune with the Adepts at Mars Lighthouse appears to be a temporary effect granted by the Wise One, who apparently gave the same effect to Jupiter Lighthouse for Hama to use to communicate with the Adepts. Erik Jensen ^{(Appreciate me here!)} 17:52, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

some alex look alike character on part 0:19 and his with Spade and Crown/Rief here's the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4r4tIw5d20&feature=sub

Parenthood?

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Now I know there's not evidence to support it but in all likelihood it's pretty much definite that Alex fathered Amiti in a fling. Consider the fact that there are confirmed only two Mercury Clan members left: Mia and Alex. We know Mia isn't Amiti's mother and that his Father was a Extremely powerful Mercury Adept who started the Alchemy Well. In Dark Dawn it takes the entire party to start up the different Alchemy Machines. Now the only Mercury Adept I know of who could have that much power to singlehandedly start an Alchemy Machine is Alex. Plus Tret confirmed Amiti is related to Mia somehow. Plus Alex's goal in the game was to start up the Machines all over Weyard and the Eclipse Tower but oddly also helped the party to stop the Tower which is odd. The point is, Alex starting the well himself would make sense considering it needed Mercury powers to start it up. The only conclusion is considering his mysterious character and also his attitude, He could have easily partaken in a fling with Amiti's mother and then left. Hit it and Quit it as they say. No Love involved.--Avariss 10:46, 6 December 2010 (CST)

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Adept

Just another thought but considering what he did during the Golden Sun doesn't that make Alex able to use more then just Mercury Psynergy? He hasn't really shown it yet but I figured it was implied he became like a Near Master of Alchemy, which is the usage of all the Elements. I don't know really but it'd be kinda cool if he was.--Avariss 09:59, 8 December 2010 (CST)

Possibly, but it'd be speculation and thus not wiki-grade until it gets confirmed in-game, though no doubt fancifcs will be riddled with it. Slax 17:05, 8 December 2010 (CST)

Oh I'm aware it's just speculation and theory really, it was just a neat thought I had. It really came on my mind cause the instance of Alex as Arcanus using Psynergy in DD, it didn't really look like Mercury, more like Venus.--Avariss 14:42, 9 December 2010 (CST)

Spoiler?

At first I agreed with the spoiler of relatives but now.. I'm not so sure.. why should it be spoiler? someone explain it to me. ~ dkpat 11:31, 29 December 2010 (CST)

Hmm, I might be interested in having it not a spoiler just to prevent an edit war, so I'll try to figure out why it should or should not be a spoiler: Before the release of the family tree image, it came across as a heavily implied thing that would most likely be presented as a major plot twist in Golden Sun 4 or something, and I know that plenty of people that had yet to play Dark Dawn therefore would have raeged if they went on either Alex or Amiti's pages, glanced at the easy-to-notice relatives section in the infoboxes at the top of the pages, and learned it right there. The official release of the family tree that confirms the relation outside the game, though, may have ended up telling a lot of people about the relationship whether they played the game or not, and even with this aside, it could probably be said that it's "safer" to have the relation displayed publicly by now because it's been some time since the game's release. So... Unless someone else is going to disagree over my new decision, I'll remove the red spoiler text. Erik the Appreciator 11:48, 29 December 2010 (CST)

The family tree

Has no-one else noticed that it lists Briggs, Chaucha, Alex, Susa and Kushinada as playable characters in 1 and/or 2 and neglects to mention that Briggs returns as an NPC in DD (ie: that it is extremely unreliable)? Slax 19:03, 31 December 2010 (CST)

I'll have to admit I didn't notice that because it relies on color-coding of the frames around the characters to indicate whether playable or not. Now, stuff like what you're pointing out comes across as Nintendo making simple oversights, as egregious as they look when you look at the list carefully... However, this isn't like the issues with Nintendo magazines we were having before Dark Dawn's release, where we could just write their incorrect claims off as badly researched information by sources that are not Nintendo itself. But this time, it is Nintendo itself supplying the family tree image, meaning we really don't have any choice but to take an "assumed unless somehow proven otherwise" stance. (And given the strong hints that Paithos and Tret give in their dialogue, there really doesn't seem to be a chance that it's not Alex.) Erik the Appreciator 20:10, 31 December 2010 (CST)

Couple points I have to raise there: 1- officially, Amiti is still listed as a female on the Aus site. 2- the simplicity of the oversight doesn't make the oversight any less of an oversight. Given 1+2, there's nothing in that tree that gives us any reason to think it is correct. We know official people make mistakes, and there are obvious mistakes present in that tree, so on what grounds can we assume it to be true? Saying in-game text supports it is rather a peculiar piece of logic, since this is used as a citation precisely because in-game text is inadequate. I should note that I am questioning the source's credibility, not the credibility of the claim that this source is a citation for. That is to say: I don't care if Alex is listed as Amiti's father or not, I care about the fact that we're using something blatantly incorrect as if it were an unquestionable truth. Basically, I'm just saying this belong in trivia, and not the article. Slax 20:43, 31 December 2010 (CST)

...Hmm. This might warrant some more people's opinions then, because I've heard both User:Hinoa (who added the family tree to the Amiti page) and User:Kyarorain (who included the family tree's revelation as part of her character description of Amiti on her fansite) use a term called Word of God to describe this (which is where one of the mysteries or speculated elements within a story is given its answer by the writers/developers so that all previous and future fan speculations to the contrary are now overridden and rendered moot. That term can only be used if the source is considered as unquestionable truth, after all, so if that family tree image's reliability as a source is what's being questioned here...). Erik the Appreciator 21:35, 31 December 2010 (CST)

On a different subject related to family: I don't know anything about what are the names for distant relations, so can somebody clarify for good whether a cousin's son is a "second nephew" or "first cousin once removed"? It looks like various other people out there don't know either, because it has been changed in the infobox several times. Erik the Appreciator 13:45, 23 February 2011 (CST)

^ It depends. In Asian culture your cousin's child is your nephew/niece. Chinkycandie 18:42, 23 February 2011 (CST)

It looks like just now you decided to change the family relations in infoboxes to reflect Asian culture, then. But I really don't think that's the appropriate solution: It looked like the "first-cousin-once-removed" version was actually the correct one by the American perspective. In American culture, a nephew/niece is the child of a sibling, and certainly not that of a cousin, and Alex and Mia are cousins in the American version of the game. I think I saw recently in an internet resource that one does call the child of your cousin a first-cousin-once-removed, as confusingly inconsistent as that appears on the surface. Since this wiki is basically American-oriented, I'm going to want to revert this unless someone else has brought up some stronger evidence that it's not first-cousin-once-removed. Erik the Appreciator 12:22, 16 July 2011 (CDT)

I know that a cousin's child will be a second-cousin to the other cousin's child. Not necesssatily "second cousin once removed". In the German version Mia and Alex are siblings. In the Japanese version Amiti would address Mia (if they ever met) as an Aunt. I know most of the editors here are from America, thus using American terms, but the game originated from Japan. Not sure how we would approach that then. Chinkycandie 20:43, 16 July 2011 (CDT)

What I think would be the easy answer is to use American terms on the basis that the games received North American translations. Now, you're sure that the Japanese perspective would have Amiti call Mia his aunt? Even granting this is the truth, though, that the games originated in Japan is essentially irrelevant in this case because certain things that would only work through a Japanese mindset were either changed or removed in the American localization. I think. (Maybe we can add that Golden Sun sells much better in North America than Japan or any other country, though I'm not sure if using that to support American perspective is the most "appropriate" way of going about this.)

And of course, the German issue doesn't need to factor into anything simply because that was likely a vaguely careless change that'll probably end up a mistake on the German localizers' part, and possibly haunt them for if Golden Sun 4 is released and makes the cousin relation between Alex and Mia important. Erik the Appreciator 20:57, 16 July 2011 (CDT)

I don't think saying "Mia aunt (Japanese)" on the info box even though it would only make a small change. We could if you wanteed to, to stop confusion. I know the German issue was useless to use as an example XD Chinkycandie 08:40, 17 July 2011 (CDT)

If this seems tangential, that's only because it is ^_^; But it's been bothering me for a while now, so I need to get it out of my system:

Erik, you said that GS sells better in North America than Japan, but what are you basing that claim on? The number of copies sold alone can be misleading. Say, for example, Country A sells 5,000 copies while Country B sells 10,000. At first glance, it would appear that Golden Sun is more popular in Country B, since it sold twice as many copies. However, Country A's population is 20,000 and Country B's is 100,000, five times as high as Country A. Therefore, Country A sold one GS game cartridge for every four people, whereas Country B only sold one game for every ten people. Therefore, Golden Sun would actually be more popular in Country A, despite the fact that it sold fewer copies.

I know, this doesn't really help figure out what terms to use to refer to Alex's relatives, but I didn't want you to fall victim to that old saying about lies and statistics. Of course, maybe you've already considered this, but I feel better now that I've gotten it out. We now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion. The World's Hungriest Paperweight 10:40, 18 July 2011 (CDT)

...Truth be told... That didn't occur to me at all. While maybe it should have, I'd have to wonder that that's ultimately relevant here: even if we grant that games made in Japan naturally sell better in North America simply because it's, you know, North America with its enormousness, companies like Nintendo and Camelot themselves are quite dependent on the fact that their games sell more abroad once localized. From a financial standpoint, even if it's a given that a game sells much more outside Japan than in it, the fact that Dark Dawn sold a lot more in North America is what allows them to continue the series. What we now know about this being a consistent pattern with game sales between countries does prove, though, that this doesn't and shouldn't have any bearing on anything else, really. (BTW, here's the sales chart in case you're interested.) Erik the Appreciator 13:15, 18 July 2011 (CDT)

Amiti

Does anyone think Alex might know his relation to Amiti? Maybe that is why he helped them put a stop to the Grave Eclipse. Chinkycandie 02:57, 21 April 2011 (CDT)

I think it's more likely he knowingly fathered Amiti to recieve the Insight Glass and provide the assistance the children of the Warriors of Vale would need to activate the Alchemy Machines. He's the sort of guy that wouldn't be above fathering a child to have another pawn for his sick chess game.Marandahir 21:53, 30 April 2011 (CDT)

I think Alex cares way too much about himself and manipulates everyone to do his dirty work. I don't see him caring for Amiti in anyway. Amiti will be a loner if Paithos dies :( Maybe Alex might begin to care for him then. Who knows whats on Alex's mind. Chinkycandie 02:35, 1 May 2011 (CDT)

A Ladies Man

Has anyone else noticed how many times women in the series seem completely taken with Alex? First there was the old lady at the inn in Alhafra, then (presumably) Veriti with whom he fathered a child, and yet again with the female attendant to Emperor Unan. This seems to say something about his personality as more girls fall for him then each of the heroes. --Tzion 13:49, 4 December 2011 (CST)

Great. Now Alex has in-universe fangirls... The World's Hungriest Paperweight 17:07, 4 December 2011 (CST)