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Possible rename[edit]

The conversation started on another talk page, but since it's about this article, I decided to move it here:

While the subject is still fresh, should we consider changing the name of List of Hats and Crowns to something like List of General Headwear? It does cover more than just Hats and Crowns, and it would be too much work to list all the different types. The World's Hungriest Paperweight 18:58, 22 March 2011 (CDT)

As a matter of preference, I would suggest List of Generic Headgear instead. "General" sounds a little like it should include all headgear, including Circlets and Helms, while "Generic" better describes its most notable feature - being equippable by anyone. Not to mention I wouldn't be able to see the page's name without thinking of that silly hat Napoleon is always drawn as wearing. spweasel 22:17, 22 March 2011 (CDT)
I'm not sure how you made the connection between "headwear" and "Napoleon", but beyond that your idea sounds good. I was just going with the title on the template ^_^; The World's Hungriest Paperweight 23:16, 22 March 2011 (CDT)
Napoleon was a General before he was Emperor. spweasel 01:38, 23 March 2011 (CDT)
Oh, I get it. General Headwear. Heheh. The World's Hungriest Paperweight 09:47, 23 March 2011 (CDT)
Either way, A List of Common Headwear or General headwear looks better than 'generic', especially since some of these 'generics' are quite unique in Golden Sun. However, without anything save for text to differentiate them - not even gender differences, unlike the Tiara vs Circlet argument, there's really no reason to separate them. Weapon types have always been differentiated, though. Even as early as TBS, Staffs and Ankhs had different sprites. Sure, there's like... three ankhs, and that's it, but it's still there - hell, Mia and Rief even use an Ankh in their official art, as opposed to a staff. While I understand the argument to list them together while mentioning the separation, Hats and Crowns have no such luxury. Anyone who can wear one can wear the other, so to me, when it comes to the three types of gear: Armor, Cloth, and Magic, they all fall under the Cloth type. 00:01, 23 March 2011 (CDT)
As previously noted, List of General Headgear sounds too much as if it is a General List of Headgear, i.e. one that includes all head equipment. You bring up a good point about "Generic", but "Common" is no better, since both make it sound like they are lists of non-Artifact head equipment.
Maybe we should go with something like "List of Miscellaneous Headgear". The biggest drawback I see is that nobody can spell "miscellaneous". spweasel 01:38, 23 March 2011 (CDT)
My vote goes to "List of Basic Headgear". Anything else seems like it would be attaching some unnecessary meaning to it. --TheOthin 04:00, 23 March 2011 (CDT)
We could try to separate the three between Heavy, Light, and Mage armor... So saying it's Light Headewear, kinda like how helmets would be Heavy Headwear, and circlets Mage Headwear. Another way would be Armor, Cloth, and Mage, but Light would fit things like the Chainmail Coif better than Cloth... 04:27, 23 March 2011 (CDT)
"Basic Headgear" sounds good to me. After all, they can be equipped by all party members, making them sort of "default" equipment. On another note, I wasn't expecting this conversation to go on quite so long, so why don't we continue this over on the appropriate talk page. The World's Hungriest Paperweight 09:47, 23 March 2011 (CDT)

So, to clarify, we have a few different ideas for a new, more accurate name for this page:

  • List of General Headwear
  • List of Generic Headgear
  • List of Common Headgear
  • List of Miscellaneous Headgear
  • List of Basic Headgear
  • List of Light Headwear

And, of course, "Headgear" and "Headwear" can be used interchangeably, so that automatically doubles the number of potential names.

If anyone has more ideas, feel free to speak up. At this point, though, I think we should focus more on picking one of the names we've come up with so far. My vote goes for "Basic Headgear", although I also like "Common Headgear". The only problem I see with "common" is that it sounds like it would be about non-Artifact armor... The World's Hungriest Paperweight 10:32, 28 March 2011 (CDT)

I'll vote for "Basic", since it seems to best convey the idea without implying anything else about the list. I'd go with either "Headgear" or "Head Equipment" instead of "Headwear", since "Headwear" makes me think more of cloth head coverings than Crowns and Masks.spweasel 14:58, 28 March 2011 (CDT)
Cast my vote for Basic. Can we renew this discussion? I think it's important, since right now, Hoods and Masks are getting the shaft. Marandahir (talk) 12:58, 20 February 2013 (CST)
Yeah, this is something we should finally finish (after nearly two years... ^_^;) I'm still in support of "Basic Headgear". Any objections? The World's Hungriest Paperweight (talk) 21:17, 20 February 2013 (CST)
I think "Basic Headgear" is the best choice out of the bunch too. Erik the Appreciator (talk) 22:11, 20 February 2013 (CST)
Yes, Basic Headgear. ~ dkpat (talk) 08:51, 21 February 2013 (CST)