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HEY! The Ball monsters are listed under Star Magician's arsenal. But they're not moves, they're monsters!!! Okay, now that I've got that out of my system, I can be rational again.

I've got nothing wrong with the Balls staying on Star Magician's page, but I think they deserve their own section (or subsection). Yeah, that's really all I have to say. The world's hungriest paperweight 19:23, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that was kind of a prickly issue I was having while I was writing the page. What made me decide against them having a Monster Line-style section was the fact that it's only during this fight they appear in a battle. You can change it anyway you think is better. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 20:31, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Unlimted use of mystic call[edit]

are we all sure he has an infinite supply of these to summon? several years ago, during my first play-through of TLA, i fought the star magician. i couldn't do enough dmg to counter-act the healing of the recovery balls, and every time i killed one, he brought it back moments later. i was still able to effortlessly deal with the damage he was doing (Iris bless Mia!) so i gave up and focused on killing the balls and ignoring him. i don't remember if i was hoping he'd run out of balls or psynergy, but i VERY clearly remember that after a very drawn out fight he just up and stopped using mystic call. i finished off all the remaining balls, and even had a few turns simply devoted to defense waiting to see. then i noticed he wasn't using any psynergy, i didn't notice for a while so i'm not sure if it happened the same time he stopped using mystic call. so he was alone and attacking for a few turns, unfortunately i don't remember if he was using mine ball or not, but was certainly using phys attacks. so i finished him off for the first time.

i don't know how you guys collect info on monster skills so the way i see it, at least one of 3 things happened:

  • mystic call does cost psynergy, if only a little.
  • he only can summon so many of them and his supply ran out, and his running out of pp was coincidence.
  • i glitched, and his running out of pp was coincidence.

what do you guys make of it.

P.S. i probably wont remember asking all this for a while so don't excpect a response soon. Akbaroth 09:56, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

The game code confirms there is no PP cost for Mystic Call. I personally would suspect that there is a cap on the number of each type of ball enemy can be summoned, since each copy of a type of enemy in a given battle has a number right after its name in the below battle text. Did the balls ever go beyond "Anger Ball9" or "Guardian Ball9"? If not, maybe it means there can't be more than 9 copies of a type of enemy present throughout a single battle. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 17:25, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
Well, I tried to test this, but several hours and over 100 battles later, I gave up and quit out of the monster battle arena, without having fought Star Magician even once. Which is odd because I know it is possible to fight him in there (was using a 100% clear savefile). While I can't give a conclusion, it does make me wonder about the "random" number generator though. Slax01 21:23, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
I find him in the arena a lot, so I thought I'd give it a try. There doesn't seem to be a limit to how many balls he can summon, as I think in my battle with him he brought in over a hundred of them. After saying Anger Ball9 it seems to just reset back to Anger Ball1, although sometimes it would miss 1 out and go straight to Anger Ball2. Although as stats of monsters change from the actual game to the battle mode, maybe the limit gets disabled for the amount of balls he can summon as well. Phimi 23:13, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
all i remember about how long it took is that the clock said 5:58 when i was done. but i think i started sometime around 1:00. i wasn't paying attention to the clock when i started and i have a poor sense of time so for all i know it may have been since 2:00am or it was just from about 4:00pm. but i remember i was fighting for hours. i'm absolutely sure he did not stop summoning after they all hit Ball9. they just kept cycling. i *think* that after a while he only summoned the purple balls, but i'm not sure about that at all.Akbaroth 04:58, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Dark Dawn[edit]

Do we have a pic of him form Dark Dawn if not whats the proof that he's in it? Worldwarz2

Some people have the Japanese version of the game; no proof is needed in terms of the integrity of the article.Caasi 21:14, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Dark Dawn feature[edit]

I just got really lucky and pulled off a Djinn-weakness kill against this guy (as if this fight doesn't grant enough experience already) and observed that all remaining balls also died in a rainbow colored way. If all is as it seems, I received bonus experience for the balls and the magician. Tzion 21:45, 26 April 2011 (CDT)

The Star Magician article says you will get just over 55,000 exp for defeating it with a Mars djinn (in DD, at least), however I beat it and got over 140,000 exp (and I don't recall beating more than 6 or 7 ball enemies to possibly get enough extra exp to make that number reasonable, especially since I didn't defeat any of them with djinn) (definitely took the chance to capture a photo of that weirdness, because I'm honestly very confused by that amount of exp ???) --Whimsikal 20:59, 26 May 2016 (CDT)

Well, while five of the types of ball enemies in the DD battle only give between 3700 and 5800 EXP, each Ghoul Ball gives over 12600 EXP when felled, so maybe you repeatedly defeated Ghoul Balls and the Star Magician kept summoning Ghoul balls back. In my experience, each of the times I did the battle resulted in EXP in amounts resembling 140,000. Erik the Appreciator (talk) 23:12, 26 May 2016 (CDT)

Hm, it's possible, although I only recall defeating 1 or 2 Ghoul Balls (most were Guardian Balls), but I could be wrong. Maybe the game just took pity on me for being level 34 to 35 --Whimsikal (talk) 09:29, 27 May 2016 (CDT)

Ball Monsters[edit]

I think it would be worth revisiting what to do about the Ball Monsters. We could do it all in one subsection, but from what I see, the statistics for the returning balls are considerably different between games. Plus the new Ghoul and Death Balls would need to be added. I'm just wondering whether putting it all on this page would make it too lengthy.--Sippyjuice 20:56, 25 January 2012 (CST)

Well, I wouldn't object to breaking the Ball monsters off into their own article, but the fact that they ever only appear alongside the Star Magician makes it a debatable move. If too many people object, we could always make the Ball monster line a subpage instead. But let's wait and see what other people think... The World's Hungriest Paperweight 14:11, 26 January 2012 (CST)
I'd definitely go for putting the balls into their own page. Whether it should be a subpage or its own page is an interesting question, though. The one reason for a subpage is that they only appear with the Star Magician, so I'd say do that. Erik the Appreciator 21:18, 26 January 2012 (CST)
I would give them their own page for simplicity simply because we would otherwise need to make this page unnecessarily complicated. However I don't see the benefit of making it a subpage. The two pages would necessarily be linked to one another anyways so it wouldn't change much. I'd personally only use subpages as a means to expand a pages information in certain ways. For example, if a character appears as both a major character in the story and as a boss having the boss section as a subpage could be helpful. Imagine, for instance, if Alex appears as a boss in the future when his page is already filled with 3 games worth of info. Plus it would allow someone to view his boss stats without giving the story away.Tzion 17:07, 13 February 2012 (CST)

I can transfer the existing ball data to the new page anytime. Just let me know when we have a consensus on page vs. subpage. Tzion 14:09, 20 February 2012 (CST)

Either one is fine with me. Why don't you make it a separate page for now, and we can change it to a subpage if too many people object. The World's Hungriest Paperweight 15:32, 20 February 2012 (CST)
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