Talk:Alchemy

Woah, two walls of text in this article. Any images we could add? Caasi 21:21, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

A pic of the Golden Sun at the end of TLA would be nice. ~ Revoran | talk 16:51, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

"Golden Sun"

Can we make a "Golden Sun event" page? It seems appropriate, but I thought I'd ask first. Slax 02:24, 5 December 2010 (CST)

Hmm. When I made the Alchemy page the way it is now, I essentially merged The Golden Sun and The Stone of Sages into it. I'm not sure whether the act of giving a name to the event of the Golden Sun's release makes Golden Sun event as a page more warranted than it as a redirect to Alchemy... But presumably it would be a search term entered often. Erik the Appreciator 02:30, 5 December 2010 (CST)

Spoiler warning: The following section(s) contain plot details that some people may not wish to learn before reaching this point in the game on their own.

That's another thing, the Wise One is a philosopher's stone, so that needs revision as well. Further, there are some.. "Endgame topics" raised that makes this page... revision worthy.

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(spoilers for the very-early game only) I'm just wondering how to split it. Maybe make this an "alchemy" page that correspond only to the effects alchemy has on Weyard and its citizens (ie: decline, prosperity of civilisation, powers, etc), and put stuff pertaining to "the Golden Sun" into a "Golden Sun event" page? Slax 03:33, 5 December 2010 (CST)

Eclipse Tower

Spoiler warning: The following section(s) contain plot details that some people may not wish to learn before reaching this point in the game on their own.

This page could go for a rewrite on that fact that Dark Dawn has revealed that the ancient Jenei looking for more power tried to control the powers of Dark and Light. Meaning those two should also be a part of Alchemy.--Avariss 17:11, 6 December 2010 (CST)

I've been reading pages people make, and I'm not sure everything is factual. Some of I know needs fixing, that's fine I can do that, but there are some things I'm iffy about- do Dark Adepts actually use "dark" Psynergy? or is Darkness something else altogether? I know the difference is essentially trivial but its easier to make the distinction now, rather than later on. After all, Dark appears to be a contrast to Psynergy, not a subset of it (but again, I am NOT sure about this). "Light" on the other hand, is probably best left to short comments, since even in-game characters probably don't know much about it. Slax

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Philosopher's Stone?

From the article: "The Philosopher's Stone, also called the Stone of Sages"

Is this based on something in-game that I've been consistently forgetting for at least five years? Or is it, in fact, baseless speculation? As far as I can recall, the posessive "philosopher's" has not been used outside the Wise One's Encyclopedia entry.

Hmm. Thing is, another name for the Stone of Sages in the GBA Golden Sun games is the Wisdom Stone, but I've not heard that being also called "Philosopher's Stone" in any of the games. Philosopher's Stone is what Dark Dawn calls the Wise One, and it's an important concept in real-world Earth's view of Alchemy, but it was User:Slax01 that ultimately wrote this version of the page. Erik the Appreciator 13:39, 18 December 2010 (CST)

I only put it in because it was in the article prior to my edit: "The Stone of Sages is the in-game spiritual equivalent to the Philosopher's Stone" so whoever wrote that would have to justify it. I personally have no citation for this equivalence, so I have no objections to removing the paragraph. Might be worth checking the japanese version of GS1/2 to make sure nothing got lost in translation though. Slax 17:32, 18 December 2010 (CST)

Huh. Well, I originally wrote "The Stone of Sages is the in-game spiritual equivalent to the Philosopher's Stone and its fabled properties of turning any metal into gold and producing the Elixir of life." That was pretty much me saying that Wikipedia reports that in the real-world's take on Alchemy, the Philosopher's stone is said to turn metal into gold and allow immortality - just like how Weyard's Stone of Sages, according to Kraden in the first game's Elemental Star Chamber, is something that "dominates everything", "can turn lead into gold, even thwart death itself!"

However, from what I can tell now, it looks like Golden Sun's Stone of Sages is something that mirrors real-world Alchemy's Philosopher's stone without actually being, you know, something Weyard considers "the Philosopher's Stone" in its universe, while the Wise One is classified as a type of Alchemy-forged creature called "a Philosopher's Stone" in-universe. All this is confusing, sure, but I think it's at least been proven now that it's an incorrect statement to say that in Weyard, the Stone of Sages is also called "the Philosopher's Stone", so it's that part that needs to be corrected. Erik the Appreciator 17:59, 18 December 2010 (CST)

I'm pretty sure that Wisdom Stone is a mistranslation of Philosopher's Stone, but I'll have to double check with a new file on my Japanese cart.Marandahir 21:30, 30 April 2011 (CDT)

Higher quality art?

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Just sayin'. It's from the official site, and it's basically a more detailed version of the one from the game. Perhaps consider croping out the extra bits and using it instead? Rolina (talk) 02:53, 4 November 2012 (CST)

That does look like a good image to crop and upload as a replacement for the File:Alchemy_symbol.jpg image. It should probably be uploaded as a replacement rather than a separate file, and it should probably be kept the same size on the page. Erik the Appreciator (talk) 23:58, 4 November 2012 (CST)