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Thought this would be interesting -- the four card suits are sometimes aligned with one of the classical four elements, especially when used in divination. Hearts=water, spades=air, clubs=fire and diamonds=earth. Not sure if this'll have any actual effect on the game itself, but if it does you heard it here first! 10:03, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Blados and Chalis[edit]

Are they really member of the Tuaparang? When Alex, Blados and Chalis talk short before the end battle, Blados or Chalis reveal that Alex is no Tuaparang (but only a "friend" of the Tuaparang boss) and then Alex says something like (don't know the exact words, only the content) "Let's tell the truth, you aren't from Tuaparang either, you are Dark Adepts and also only working for the Tuaparang!" -- 05:21, 21 January 2011 (CST)

Found a forum, where this is discussed: -- 05:25, 21 January 2011 (CST)
There's also a video from the final scenes and people analysing it: Alex clearly says, that the soldiers and Blados and Chalis are NOT Tuaparang. -- 05:31, 21 January 2011 (CST)
I just watched the video, and at about 2:32, Alex says that "the Tuaparang are scions of the Umbra Clan". According to my dictionary, "scions" means "descendants". Also, Alex doesn't actually say that the soldiers aren't Tuaparang; he only asks whether or not they're Tuaparang. While I suppose it's possible that the Tuaparang are just one faction of the Umbra Clan, I don't think we have enough info to completely separate Blados and Chalis from the Tuaparang. HungryPaperweight 10:47, 21 January 2011 (CST)
To me, it sounds like Alex was merely questioning Blados and Chalis's loyalty to the Tuaparang, I think that factions have formed within the Tuaparang, though there is no conclusive evidence either way. Blados and Chalis are referred to as Tuaparang at various points throughout the game, and since we have no solid evidence otherwise, I don't think it should be changed.~ dkpat 11:16, 21 January 2011 (CST)

Possible Goals Discovered[edit]

Right after Tyrell joins and you are sent to find the feather, approaching Isaac (head down the stairs in front of the cabin to find him on a cliff out of reach) will cause him to engage you in conversation. After talking to him at least once, he will reveal that someone is targeting the Wise One and that this someone holds a very low opinion of the Wise One. To be fair, this could be a plot point to be resolved later, but I think this could explain why the Tuaparang seemed to be targeting the area around Mt. Alef with the Apollo Lens. Tzion 07:00, 21 January 2011 (CST)

Or it could still be Alex. 09:13, 21 January 2011 (CST)


The article claims that Alex betrayed the Tuaparang, which has me confused. How exactly did he betray the Tuaparang? He wanted Matthew and co. to fire the Apollo Lens, which was what the High Empyror also wanted. It was Blados and Chalis who were supposedly betraying the High Empyror, which Alex mentioned. 12:52, 23 April 2011 (CDT)

First of all, we've had similar discussions on other pages. I think this one just hasn't been updated yet. Anyways, you seem to have forgotten that Alex helped Matthew's group fire the Apollo Lens at Eclipse Tower. We have no idea what the High Empyror wanted the Lens for, plus the game hints that Apollo Lens can only be used during a Grave Eclipse. The World's Hungriest Paperweight 13:15, 23 April 2011 (CDT)
This article is actually quite outdated. Much discussion has occurred elsewhere on the wiki about the difficult-to-decipher behind-the-scenes parts of Dark Dawn, such as at Golden Sun series/Implications, and recently I started realizing there's nothing to suggest that Alex is doing something the H.E. doesn't want. However, this particular issue is completely indecipherable because the audience has no idea what the H.E. intended for the lens at all, or whether Alex having the party fire the lens at Eclipse Tower is either what the H.E. wants or if the H.E. wanted the lens fired at something else.
Also, all that the game's gossip hints at is that the Grave Eclipse is what opens up the Lens for usage; it doesn't say anywhere that the Lens is no longer usable once the Grave Eclipse is ended. That this is not clarified is really part of the problem: if it were somehow able to be established that the H.E. wanted the Lens to shoot things with and that the Lens would no longer be usable once the Grave Eclipse actually ended, that could at least serve as a base for a claim that Alex betrayed the H.E.'s trust by having Matthew's party shoot the lens at Eclipse Tower itself to prevent the Lens from being used anymore. But we're pretty much in a limbo state over this until GS4. Erik the Appreciator 13:26, 23 April 2011 (CDT)