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This image 51jmskzqa5l.jpg pretty confirms Crown being a Mercury adept. Watch out for the borders of all the protagonists' portraits: Matthew's is brown (Venus), Karis' is violet (Jupiter), Tyrrel's is red (Mars) and Crown's is blue (Mercury). So, I'm gonna add it to both this article and the Adepts article. 13:54, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

  • Intresting to note the 5th character. 21:48, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
I would guess that is a member of the old Golden Sun crew. Irish Reaper 14:48, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

The"character" part of the title is due to the fact that "crown" redirects to the crowns and hats article, searching "crown" still leads to that article.

If searching Crown brings us here now, then why does the article still need the (adept) part tacked on? Kyarorain 17:31, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, that would need to be done if searching "crown" brings one to a disambiguation page. Perhaps that's what should be done right now. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 17:38, August 19, 2010 (UTC)


Does the article give Crown's sex? V is really ambiguous looking, and if it hasn't been given, I thing gender neutral writing would be best.. 21:50, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I presume the Golden Sun Realm news post that has the translation is right when they translate the text to make references to "him". Check the first post here. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 23:45, September 5, 2010 (UTC)\
Cinder (the translator) notes on the 2nd page "There was not an indication of gender in the text. I just had it as "he" because I know he is a "he".". -- 01:09, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
O_O Hmmm... That does kind of make for a prickly issue then. However, I think at this point we can get away with making a male assumption anyway, because most people on forum boards now say "guess he's a boy after all" in response to the artwork. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 08:39, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

I heard a rumor that Crown is a she due to the rather nasty shipping wars that resulted from having three female characters and five male characters without having a single clear romance. Of course, that is just a very crazy rumor i heard, but it wold make a little bit of sense considering how... hot the flaming got on right after the third game was announced. Irish Reaper 14:48, September 6, 2010 (UTC)


Didnt crown look like he had a trench coat and blond hair what happen to that crown?????? on the other had crown is like Kraden only this time hes useful! Worldwarz2

Basically, months ago in E3 when we knew far less about the game, people thought it was a possibility that the blond man in a blue trench coat was the one with the name "Crown", since back then the name Crown, which was known from this screenshot, was not known to belong to this Mercury Adept kid, and Crown's official art was not yet revealed. But now, people agree that the blond person is adult Isaac. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 01:22, October 3, 2010 (UTC)


you guys i think i know Crowns origins. i think Crown is none other then the child of Piers who bought Kraden to Lumaria after they lit Mars Lighthouse: My evidence: Crown studys under a mentor, who (presumiply) knows ALOT about Alchemy, and who do we know, know ALOT about Alchemy....Kraden who has avoded death for 30 years by going to Lumaria were he has been teaching Crown everything he knows!!! Worldwarz2

Didn't pay attention in Lost Age did you? Piers was forever banished from Lemuria and it still holds this way 30 years later apparently >>--Avariss 14:47, 9 December 2010 (CST)

Rief's Appearance[edit]

He kinda reminds me of Ivan only he's a water adept and has blue hair★Crescent moon★ 05:03, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

With glasses. I think he's going to be a fairly different character from Ivan. However he looks promising. Better than having Kraden following you around. Kraden: IMA SCIENTIST :B 02:36, October 24, 2010 (UTC)#

WHOS THE FATHER!!!!!!!!!!? Worldwarz2

Rief's father remains unknown as of now. Lord Kaitan de Storms 14:37, 3 January 2011 (CST)

a note[edit]

last one 'cuz it appears unwanted, but Rief joins the party with Sleet and is at level 10. I could also say where and when if the info is wanted. Slax01 04:24, October 28, 2010 (UTC)


Whos Noble wered she come from? Worldwarz2

Sprite Discrepancy[edit]

The two Rief Sprites are off from each other; that is to say, one is lighter in tone than the other. I believe this not to be the case within the game, meaning one of the two (and I believe it's the normal headshot) is using the wrong color palette due to someone messing with it with something like Pixen or some other editor (Pixen, for example, rounds off colors and thus would give a lighter image – I faced that issue when I was trying to remove scratch marks from some of these sprites). My point is that one of these two images is flawed, and unless every other DD headshot on the wiki is now too dark compared to how it should be, it's the first Rief sprite that is too light.Marandahir 06:07, 29 April 2011 (CDT)

Unlike with the issue of the noticeable light green pixels that were on Blados' sprite, this discrepancy really is so miniscule from a practical perspective that most other people would never have noticed it at all. Looking at other sprites now, I notice that the normal and sad face portraits for Tyrell and Eoleo have slighter versions of the same lighting thing going on too. Since these images display precisely what they need to for the reader regardless of barely perceivable fractional changes in lighting, I wouldn't worry about modifying these images, personally. Erik the Appreciator 12:26, 29 April 2011 (CDT)
Yeah, I'm not worrying too much about it; these sprites are much more complicated than earlier ones, with a lot of shading and different colours, making it difficult to modify. I guess I'm just a frustrated stickler for consistency. But I agree, they're all they really need to be for the sake of the wiki. I might take it upon myself to go through all the colours and fix them for my personal sake, though.Marandahir 00:49, 30 April 2011 (CDT)