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So the English page updated today and apparently her new name is Chalis, so can someone with better editing skills change this?Timoks92 23:38, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

Has anyone else noticed that these so-called "Dark Adepts" don't have a single spell in their repertoire? The only thing that comes close is the Dark Shield, actually... In fact, given that their only base damage attacks come from items, one could easily argue that they fight like inepts, not adepts. Any theories as to why? I'm not arguing whether or not they're Dark Adepts - it's said explicitly in game that they are. I'm just wondering why they never seem to use the powers you'd expect an adept to use. 02:42, 22 March 2011 (CDT)

In my most humble of opinions, it's probably because they didn't implement any in DD. Given that they're mentioned so briefly in the game, they probably didn't really bother with making any for this particular installment. Wait till the next one. Tanooki1432 04:11, 22 March 2011 (CDT)
I sure do hope so. It'd be nice if these so-called adepts actually fought like adepts, you know? Blados and Chalis were such pushovers... it was really disappointing, you know? 12:18, 22 March 2011 (CDT)
There's plenty of speculations that can be brought up here - maybe that's supposed to convey that these are artificial Adepts in a world where Adepts are only supposed to manipulate any one of the four base elements that comprise all matter, and maybe it's because darkness and light, being not so much elements as they are the other two values that complete existence, are in certain ways not possible to manipulate with Psynergy. There's nothing that can be said definitively until the next game's released, and the wiki won't be making assumptions on this, but at least the audience is allowed to guess that darkness and light are not anything as simple as "two extra elements added to the other four". Erik the Appreciator 14:19, 22 March 2011 (CDT)

Element of... Umbra?[edit]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but is it not the fundaments of Sol and Luna here, keeping with the theme established in the previous games? Umbra is the name of the clan they belong to, not the fundament they claim to wield... 01:06, 6 December 2011 (CST)

Well, when I edited it like that I had figured the element'd likely be officially named Umbra because all the other clans are named exactly after the elements they wield, which in turn are named after planets - Mercury Clan, Venus Clan, etc. Umbra is close to that series of names because Umbra as a word is typically used to describe planetary shadow.
Of course, it's ultimately speculation to assume whether the exact name of the dark element the Umbra clan wields as a special type of Psynergy is Luna, Umbra, Darkness, or something else, so it may be best simply to call it "Darkness" and make it so that you roll over the word and a message appears stating how the true element name is not known as of Dark Dawn. Like this: Darkness
Now, I don't think the games were ever really clear-cut about Sol and Luna being the actual fundaments of light and dark; they were simply what the peoples of Weyard used to refer to the sun and the moon of their world for the sake of making their shrines. Dark Dawn's conversations explain that the ancients sought to manipulate the fundaments of light and darkness, but they do not use the names Sol and Luna to refer to those. And it's not like the fact the darkness-spreading tower in Belinsk is sometimes called Luna Tower is going to help us out either, since that's a false name created to hide its actual name as Eclipse Tower. Erik the Appreciator 02:39, 6 December 2011 (CST)