Category talk:Staffs and Ankhs

Separate categories?

Say, do you think we should have separate categories for Staffs and Ankhs? And, for that matter, for Fists and Claws? If not, maybe we should replace our current categories with new cats that have both weapon types listed. I vote for separating the categories, which would only require creating a couple of new ones and changing the cats on the articles, which I'm working on anyways. I just want to see if anyone objects or has other ideas first. The World's Hungriest Paperweight 12:24, 26 May 2011 (CDT)

It could turn out to be a good change to make in the future, if more weapons of those types are added in later games and there is more variety on what characters can use them, but for now, it seems superfluous and would result in unnecessarily limited categories, as well as the possible confusion resulting from the change in classification of the Ankhs between the games. Also, other splits in categories have always been classified by both a change in name and in function. From what I've seen, while the game regards the Blessed Ankh, the Angelic Ankh, and Clotho's Distaff as separate from other staffs, it never actually calls them "Ankhs" as a group; it still lists them as "Staffs", so "Ankhs" is just an assumed unofficial name based on the names of two of the three. As for the Fists and Claws, while they have a difference in how Unleashes are learned, that is the only difference in function between the two, with the two being used by the same character. That is perhaps not enough to determine a separate category. After all, even though Hats, Crowns, Masks, Caps, and Hoods are all listed as separate weapon types in the game, we group them all under one classification, and I think it would be unwise to change that.

There is also the matter of other minor splits that occurred in Dark Dawn. Any female-only equipment can be equipped by Sveta in addition to Karis and Himi, even if it is a Robe or a Circlet, equipment classes normally inaccessible to Sveta. Therefore, rather than simply having an additional restriction on top of those of a Robe or Circlet, it in fact has just its own restriction to females. But even with its original restriction to females, it would still be on the same level of the restriction of Ankhs to dedicated Mages out of the characters capable of using Staffs. Then there are the greaves - Knight's Greave, Silver Greave, and Hover Greave. They, too, are functionally like a separate weapon type, like Armor compared to Gloves. Like Ankhs, they are restricted to specific characters capable of using their general type, and they have a shared name that we could use to classify them as a separate group. And then there is the Air Bangle, which is a Bracelet but can be used by any character, like a Glove. We certainly can't call it a Glove, and while its name could be used to create a new equipment category, I would be hesitant to do so without more, similar equipment being made.

Now, I'm not saying we necessarily shouldn't also make any of these other splits in their respective categories, as well. What I think is that we should decide on a standard for whether a type of equipment is a separate category or not, then apply it to all relevant categories, for the sake of consistency. We would need to take into account the implications of that when setting thew standard, and if a new game changes those implications, we could of course adjust the standard accordingly. but for now, I think the most important thing is coming up with a logical, consistent solution. --TheOthin 14:46, 26 May 2011 (CDT)

A lot of stuff to sift through, and I don't know if it's all relevant, but you made a good case with the Hat/Crown/Etc. argument. Shall I just make "Staff and Ankh" and "Fist and Claw" categories for now, and we'll split them if we ever need to? The World's Hungriest Paperweight 16:26, 26 May 2011 (CDT)

I think that would be ok. If the need does ever arise, we can easily do so. ~ dkpat 04:53, 27 May 2011 (CDT)

Sounds good. --TheOthin 05:33, 27 May 2011 (CDT)

Yeah. Erik the Appreciator 14:12, 27 May 2011 (CDT)