Talk:Unleash/List of Unleashes

Thank you so much, spweasel! Why did you remove the weapon class entries, though? Is it possible to restore it from the previous page? I found it pretty helpful to look up the strongest axe unleash, for example. Kadano 13:37, 7 March 2011 (CST)
 * Here's the thing - unleashes usually aren't tied to a specific weapon class. Several (perhaps most) non-unique unleashes will be found on several different weapon types, which means that doing a sort based on weapon type isn't going to work unless each weapon class gets its own column (which would result in an ugly, unwieldy boolean matrix that adds very little functionality).


 * If you think that information is especially helpful (I do agree that it can be useful), I'd suggest adding the relevant table entries to the individual weapon list pages (e.g. List of Axes). That type of sorting is most useful when comparing different elements of the same group anyways, so it makes a lot of sense to put it on that group's page. Sort of like if you want all of a particular weapon's unleashes you should go to that individual weapon's page (since you can't really successfully sort by weapon name to find out all of a weapon's unleashes given this list).


 * Also, I really mean no offense to you, but I'm going to revert your last change for three reasons.


 * To the best of my knowledge, the average multiplier is only really known for Vengeance and Legend, with all the other entries being speculative.


 * How you have them currently written in the lists is wrong and confusing - the math is (Base + Add) x Mult, while it currently implies Base x Mult + Add.


 * It's redundant with the Special Effect column. This list should be for succinctly describing each unleash in detail. Forcing the list to accommodate information useful only to one small subset of unleashes isn't a good idea; otherwise we should add columns for average increase in damage from ignored defense, chance to apply status effect, etc. That sort of information really belongs in the Added Effects box.


 * I'll add the different rates for Vengeance/Legend so there will be no loss of information, only a slight loss in convenience.


 * As for Paperweight's most recent edit, I would like to point out that I was kinda hoping that someone would go in and replace every "Various" entry with the complete list of weapons that have that unleash. I'll try to add them all by the end of the day. spweasel 16:23, 7 March 2011 (CST)