Talk:Master List of Djinn

This page is not up to par with wiki standards, and feels like a Strategy Guide instead. Also, it doesn't talk about which Djinn won't be in Isaac's possession if you didn't transfer, and doesn't even discuss the possibility of finding Djinn in special areas if you didn't transfer every last one of them from the first game. Marandahir 16:31, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Renovation needed?
Two reasons for renovating - for starters, this list looks very bad, as mentioned above. However, I believe plans were also mentioned in another discussion page about making this a list where each djinn in the whole series is listed once and only once. Perhaps we could start a discussion on how the tables would look in such a list?

Personally, I could see it using the Name (with link to page), then GBA icon, then DD icon (both icons if applicable), the stat boosts, then use the short in-game description found in the games. I don't think those changed between games for the djinn that were shared, at least. This sound good, or does someone want to add something? Rolina 16:46, 12 August 2012 (CDT)


 * It sounds good, though I think the best way to discuss how it should look and appear is to put a draft of the table here on the talk page first. But there's definitely plenty of cases where a description like "Strike to reduce a foe's defense." is replaced with "Shatter a foe's defense with numbing cold.", and looking at the articles on the Djinn that appear between generations shows that. It'd have to be determined whether all Djinn sections in the table should actually have two description sections because of this, or if each Djinni with different descriptions lists both of them side-by-side in the same cell, or if only the most recent description for a given Djinni should be posted. Erik the Appreciator 17:59, 12 August 2012 (CDT)
 * Right now, we have a max of two descriptions for each djinni, but who's to say that won't change if/when the next game comes out? making this even trickier if we want to plan for the possible future. If you take that into account, I think I'd go with the most recent description. Another question I have is to the organization of the page. Shall we divide by type then list them in a numerical order of some kind? (when they first appeared perhaps) or maybe list them in alphabetical order. ~ dkpat 18:36, 12 August 2012 (CDT)
 * Bump. lol ~ dkpat 08:28, 19 August 2012 (CDT)
 * I do agree the description should only be the most recent one. For the Master List page, I sort of envisioned it would actually use all organization ideas and have several different lists of all the Djinn within their own segments of the page; there can be a section on all Djinn listed alphabetically, then a section with each element of Djinn in some sort of numerical order. But it occurs to me that all of these ideas can actually be achieved in one big "wikitable sortable" table like the one that's in the Character class page, where clicking on the column headers would allow you to sort alphabetically, by element, by GBA number, by Dark Dawn number... Erik the Appreciator 12:38, 19 August 2012 (CDT)
 * That's a good idea I think. Using a sortable table would allow the user to decide how they wanted it sorted. But It could get confusing with the two different numbering systems. We'll have to plan our columns pretty well. I'll set up a table below to play with ~ dkpat 18:19, 20 August 2012 (CDT)

Table
I've rearranged the table and split the stats to make it look like this. I figure any sortable table that includes Djinn statistics could only be good if the statistics themselves are sortable. The default ordering of all the Djinn data should probably be alphabetical. Erik the Appreciator 18:47, 20 August 2012 (CDT)


 * I added a column for offensive Djinn that shows how much extra damage they deal. I considered adding a field that actually describes the effect (as opposed to the in-game description), but this approach allows people to sort Djinn based on how strong they are (ignoring extra effects, of course). Of course, we could still add an effect column, but I was worried that would be redundant. By the way, should we include "first seen" and "last seen" fields? I don't know how practical they would be, but some people might want to know what game a Djinni first (or last) appeared in. The World&#39;s Hungriest Paperweight 11:38, 21 August 2012 (CDT)
 * I dunno about any of that extra stuff. First of all, one can determine through sorting the game number fields which game it appeared in last. On the effects thing, I figure that the coverage of the table shouldn't be overly redundant with the coverage in the List of Elemental Djinn pages' tables, and that the damage thing is as much extra as we need to add. Besides, I figure that while this table would be the main attraction of this page, the page would also have a separate section underneath that includes what the page currently has in some form - a listing of which order the Djinn can be found when playing each game perfectly. Furthermore, it might benefit various browsers and reader screen resolutions that the table not be more wide than it already is - and hypothetically, for each future game, there would have to be one extra number column added to the table anyway. Erik the Appreciator 12:07, 21 August 2012 (CDT)
 * I have to agree with Erik pretty much entirely here. We have to keep the table moderately sized. On a screen with 1024 width, things can easily get scrunched. I think on the wiki, content gets like.. 800 pixels of space or something close to it. That can get filed up quick. lol I am glad Erik was thinking about trying to keep the current function on the page as well as I did find it useful, we've just gotta find a better way to present the information. ~ dkpat 18:05, 21 August 2012 (CDT)
 * Fair enough. I'll be the first to admit that not all of my ideas are good ones, and in retrospect having "first/last seen" columns when we also have "game order" columns would be rather redundant. However, I just recently thought of a way to add the effects without increasing the size of the table. We can always remove it if you guys still think the table would be better off without, but at least take a look first.
 * P.S. Even if we keep the effects in, I'd like to keep the damage column. For comparison and ease-of-use purposes. If we have to ditch it for space purposes, though, I understand. The World&#39;s Hungriest Paperweight 22:09, 21 August 2012 (CDT)