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Redirect instructions
Like on all Wikis, there will be many page redirects necessary. If you type down Elemental Lighthouse you will get the page on Elemental Lighthouses; that's because there was this syntax in the first page:


 * 1) REDIRECTElemental Lighthouses

There will be a trememdous amount of such pages on this site because there are many pages with merged content. Ideally, Lizard Man, Lizard Fighter, and Lizard King are all redirects to Lizard Man monster line; Squire, Knight, Gallant, Lord, and Slayer are redirects to Squire Class series; Quake, Earthquake, and Quake Sphere are redirects to Quake Psynergy series; and Fizz, Sleet, Dew, and the rest of the 18 Mercury Djinn will redirect to List of Mercury Djinn. To redirect a page to the full, merged page, type the above syntax into the blank page you got into; it will take many users to redirect everything in a reasonable amount of time. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 18:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Users wanted
Hmm... You know, we really need more users on this site; I predict roughly 600 articles that this site will end up with. Whoever has accounts on GameFAQS and the Temple of Kraden should post a "users wanted" notice for this wiki. There's two halves to the Golden Sun coverage here: The gameplay and the fandom (including the fictional world, characters, and story). I'm pretty sure a lot of people out there would like to write for the fandom, while I seem content in providing the gameplay info. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 19:27, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I came here via Wikipedia and have already fell in love with this place. However, I have been at a lot of wikis and I realize that this is not going to come up as fast as you want it to. Wikis take a lot of time; if we start recruiting members, it might do well, but remember to be patient. In the meantime, we'll contribute. 69.160.8.255 00:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Heh heh, thanks for that. And patience is my middle name; I wouldn't mind it if it took a full year before both games are fully covered on this wiki. The main reason I'm doing so much work right now is because of my fan appreciation for the subject; I wouldn't do things any differently if we had a dozen more editors here. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 02:11, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, as for the users: I'm pretty sure that there are lots of people out there who would love to log onto and edit this site but simply aren't aware that this site exists for the moment. That's why I'm looking for ways that this site can be advertised; for someone to post such messages on GameFAQS and the Temple of Kraden is a great way I'm aware of right now. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 03:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I have posted topics about this on GameFAQs, LiveJournal, Anti-Shurtugal, and the Temple. I think I also hit my fanfiction.net forum and the GSFFA, although I can check on the two of those. Dracobolt 04:00, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, Golden Sun Realm. Dracobolt 20:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I really love these games, and I'll try to help with this Wiki whenever I can. Kumorifox 20:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Fandom
How much fandom-related stuff do we want to put in here? I'd like to put in some articles about better-known authors and fandom figures, maybe a general one about what fanfiction is, and things like that, but I do not want to cause any trouble, and so I will wait to hear what you others have to say. Thank you. Dracobolt 07:26, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I for one think it should be left out completely. For the most part, GS fans don't know jack about the "fandom" (fanfics, fan games, etc.) and don't really care (at least in my experience, and I know a lot of fans, believe me). --Rellin 17:53, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I disagree with the part about most GS fans not knowing anything about fangames and fanfics, as I'm sure they do because of how it's been three years since the last game. The fandom is pretty much the only thing that keeps the franchise alive, in sense, until GS3. That said, some fandom-related stuff within articles that themselves are not strictly about fandom should be our limit; Wikipedia has this heavy policy against vanity and self promotion, where Draconian measures are taken against users who use Wikipedia strictly for advertising themselves, their interests, and other things. So for starters, we should not have articles on individual fans, as flattering as it might be if I created an article about you, Dracobolt, as a Christmas gift. ^_^


 * The fandom which I think is safe to cover goes like so: Thus far I've worked with articles on Shipping and Wheat Sword, and I did so because these are the most notable facets of the fandom, being heavily influential upon the Golden Sun areas of the internet. And it would be best to talk about RyuKenshin in the Wheat Sword article and various fan fiction authors in Shipping instead of putting them in their own articles. As for the fan fiction itself, I'm not sure if there should be a List of notable Golden Sun fan fiction or not, but if so, we can talk about fan fiction authors there. As for fan art, well... Notice that in each of the character articles I put in a "Fan Influence" section at the bottom, where we talk about that character's standing in the fandom, so maybe you could put in notable fanfics and fanart in there. As for fansites, since there's a lot of them, it would be questionable to have each and every one of them an article, so maybe a List of Golden Sun fansites would do, or maybe even a page about all Golden Sun-related sites in general, including the Camelot homepage, with a Fansites section later on in the article. And as for fangames, I'm assuming Project Iris is the only notable one out there, but if there are others, Move the page into List of Golden Sun fangames.


 * Overall, with what I'm laying out above, I'm stating that we should disallow separate pages on separate Fandom-only subjects any less notable than the Wheat Sword, but through merging into fandom lists and having fandom-related sections in bigger articles, there is ample enough room for fandom that should not cause passersby to complain about vanity. In other words, there aren't too many pages with titles like Through the Other Eyes and Isaac says Booga. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 20:22, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Regarding my earlier remark, you've got to understand my situation. These people are fans of the games. They are among the many who love the games, but not the other aspects of the fandom.


 * Now, I also find it hard to believe that there are "notable" fan fictions out there. Fan games, I can totally understand. Pranks (like the Wheat Sword), I can get that, too. But individual stories? I've read a good deal of GS fics, from shippings to serious epics, and I have yet to find one that seems to attract the masses, so to speak. Most of them had only a handful of readers. Many of them strayed from the actual Golden Sun canon (I saw one piece of crap about a "realm beyond Weyard" that had nothing to do with anything about Golden Sun; they might as well have put the "realm beyond Earth" or something) to the point that they don't even count as a Golden Sun story anymore (such as my first attempt at a fic). Anyways, that's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it. --Rellin 21:00, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * In that case, perhaps there shouldn't be much of any fanfic (and fanpic) coverage at all on this wiki aside from the Shipping article; Shipping is conceivably the only one necessary to document the fanfic section of the fandom in general. Truth be told, however, I doubt any of us are truly aware of the ratio of GS gamers to GS gamers into fandom, I just assumed there were a lot of the latter because of how FF.net has 2000 Golden Sun entries as opposed to 1500 entries for the legendary Halo series. But yeah, fan games, fan sites, and the one legendary prank are subjects which can conceivably be covered on this wiki, moreso than the other stuff. Cheers, Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 21:11, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't think there should be separate articles for fanfiction at any rate. Perhaps a list of fanfiction considered notable? And as for individuals (ie. fanfic writers), perhaps... except I'm not sure what exactly we'd be putting in those kind of articles. They wouldn't serve any purose. I definitely agree with the inclusion of fansites, fangames and such, and the shipping list was definitely needed since many people will stumble upon a shipping term and not know its meaning... Kyarorain 23:29, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Utility Psynergy
I can't imagine that each Utility psynergy (and, if applicable, its corresponding equipment item) could take more than one or two paragraphs each. So, I'd recommend sticking them all onto one page (of course, providing links to Whirlwind Psynergy series, Frost Psynergy series, Douse Psynergy series, and Growth Psynergy series where applicable. I'll begin doing this on a new page right now. If there are any objections, I suppose it can be deleted later. If not, the existing Utility Psynergy articles can be deleted later. You Can&#39;t See Me! 03:42, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Uh, are you who I'm seeing at the Poke-project at Wikipedia?


 * Actually, I think utility psynergy pages can be made big, by listing every single location where each Psynergy can be useful in either game, like all the Catch locations. That would be a good use for the site. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 18:07, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Erm, sorry that I never got around to doing this. In any case, Erik, I can assure you that I am the same You Can't See Me! on Wikipedia (or MileRun on GameFAQs) at least half the time! The other half of the time, I'm one of three others that share those accounts. ^_^ You Can&#39;t See Me!

Super Smash Bros. Brawl...!?
Excuse me... Do I spy with my five eyes, on the musician list for Super Smash Bros. Brawl on the Dojo site, Motoi Sakuraba, credited for his work on the Golden Sun series? To me, that's a matter of prophetic revelation. Sorry, I couldn't resist posting this topic. I am tempted to say that this Wiki might become a lot more popular as a result of what might happen in the future. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 22:23, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It is interesting how he's only credited for Mario games (We know Mario's in.) and the Golden Sun series, since he's done music for other games like Tales of Symphonia and Baten Kaitos, which were on Gamecube. I certainly think it's interesting he's being credited for Golden Sun on that particular site. Kyarorain 07:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess it's probable that some GS characters/locations/items could appear in Brawl, but basing that just because SSBD gave him credit for the series? Seems kind of silly to me, especially since I doubt they would dedicate four (let alone eight) fighter slots just for a two-game series. However, with the addition of other one-shot characters, I wouldn't be surprised if everyone's favorite Adepts became Assist Trophies. Or maybe not just the Adepts. Maybe some Summons or even Dullahan. The introduction of Assist Trophies greatly increases the chances of GS getting into the SSB action. True, I'd rather control them directly, but something's better than nothing.
 * P.S: I like Baten Kaitos. :) The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 20:32, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I just thought of something: We haven't the slightest clue as to whether or not anything Golden Sun related will appear in Brawl, but if it does, should we mention it here? I think we should, since it originated in the GS series, plus the SSB games are composed almost entirely of other games in the first place. Of course, what happens in Brawl wouldn't really have any effect on the Golden Sun world, so I can understand if there are people opposed to including that stuff here.

Of course, this is assuming that GS will appear in SSBB, which it might not. But if it does, we'll have to discuss this sooner or later. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 21:03, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I can assure you this wiki will cover the HELL out of SSBB the moment a Venus Djinni is spotted lurking in the background of one of the images of a future DOJO update. *Psychotic maniacal expression* Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 06:48, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Another sudden thought: If we cover anything in Brawl, should we have a SSBB page? You know, a place where we can put all the appearances of Golden Sun stuff in Brawl. Of course, then we'd have to cover some of the basics of Smash Bros., so maybe not. And this time, Erik, remember to take your medication before responding. ;) The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 15:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Speculations
The title alone should make it clear to passerby's that this isn't true, but here we go: Isaac would be a playable character. Three of his four specials would be Ragnarok, Gaia, and either Quake or Spire (assuming we're still limited to four). His smash attacks would be Flint, Sap, and Bane, only without their extra effects (it would be just plain unfair if he could heal with every attack or poison opponents at will). His Final Smash would be Judgment. His last special attack would replace him with Garet (a la Pokemon Trainer). Garet's attacks would follow a similar pattern, culminating in Meteor for a Final Smash. Using the last special attack would rotate to Ivan, Mia, then back to Isaac.

I don't know about items, but among the Assist Trophies would be Coatlicue, who would completely heal the fighter in question, and Dullahan, who would wipe out opponents with his signature attack, Formina Blade. The stage would probably be one of the lighthouses (preferably Mars Lighthouse for its music) or an elemental rock (Gaia Rock's serpent would make things interesting).

At least, this is how I'd do things if I was in charge of Brawl. I probably shouldn't have even said anything, since it's 120% speculation, but I just had this strong urge to share my ideas with someone. At any rate, that's what I would like to see in Brawl, but the odds of anything besides GS Assist Trophies appearing seem to be getting slimmer and slimmer. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 15:08, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * A strong urge to share ideas? I think you will really like being a poster at The Temple of Kraden, where you can discuss everything, Golden Sun or not, and everyone is nice and sensible enough that it is the only forum on the Internet that I, the self-proclaimed Appreciator, regularly post at. Nowadays I do more posting there than any Wiki-work elsewhere, something that would've been unheard of with me six months ago. It's really a more appropriate place to share ideas with us about Brawl than the Main Page Talk of the Golden Sun Wikia. ;) Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 06:36, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, this was more of a one-time thing. I doubt anything like this will happen again (or at least not anytime soon). I appreciate the offer, but I'll have to pass. I'm not much of an online-community type person. The reason I started editing here was to help improve the quality of GSU...it's just easy to get off track. :) I'll keep the invitation in mind, though, so I might show up someday. Just don't count on it. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 15:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * In a sense, I'm hoping you'll stay here to keep on editing because the Temple really does take away from one's focus on doing work on here, and you're the big workhorse among these parts. ^_^ I know that if anyone asked me on my talk page to work on a specific article on here, though, I would do it right away, because that would give me a jolt of motivation. Just be sure not to post 120% speculation topics from here on out. :) Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 21:16, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

The Golden Sun
Not sure where a better place to discuss this would be, but right now Golden Sun takes one to a page about the first game. However, I feel there ought to be a page about the game concept of the Golden Sun as the thing that forms over Mt. Aleph once all four Lighthouses are lit. How does one handle that? Disambiguation page? Same thing ought to happen for Lunpa, too, actually, as that's a person and a place. Dracobolt 21:14, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * How about the first game is at Golden Sun: The Broken Seal since that was its full title in the original, and the shiny light from the lighthouses is at Golden Sun instead? Kyarorain 22:07, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I couldn't imagine the name for what's practically the franchise itself pointing to the page about the object that briefly forms above Mt.Aleph. It makes sense to me, however, to have that object in a page called The Golden Sun, and on Golden Sun itself, there would be a message at top saying This article is about the first game in the series. For the full series, see Golden Sun series. For the eponymous object, see The Golden Sun. I beleve that's what would be considered standard practice on Wikipedia. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 20:27, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a spiffy way to handle it. Good idea, mate. Dracobolt 04:49, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Most amusing
Look to the Wikia messages box off to the side and you'll see an important question which I will now provide an answer to:

No, we are not players of the Nintendo RPG Golden Sun 3. (I think.) Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 06:07, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * ......Wow. I guess whoever came up with that question didn't do their research, huh? It actually is kind of amusing, isn't it? Not terribly intelligent, but amusing. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 13:51, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oops. I took the message from here which said "Hoping for a Golden Sun 3? So are we..." and then merged it with the other gaming messages and it came out totally wrong, implying there already was a Golden Sun 3. Sorry for that! Angela (talk)

Donation
I recently stumbled across this wiki, and being slightly obsessed with anything wiki, I decided to stop by and offer help... I wrote a walkthrough (and general FAQ) for the first Golden Sun, and I'd like to sort of donate it (or rather, bring it to everyone's attention) for use with article help (if necessary). It can be found here at http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbadvance/file/468548/31453. Oddly enough, I wasn't able to register the name ElectroSpecter on this wiki, as someone has already taken it. --TheElectroSpecter 12:23, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, recently we had a problem with someone posting a GameFAQS faq onto here as an article without permission from the original author, and it had to be deleted. In your case, I suppose it's fine if you post your FAQ onto here (at Golden Sun/FAQ Walkthrough, which will be a subpage of the standard Golden Sun article), because you're in effect giving your permission to put it onto here. Hopefully you really are the ElectroSpecter who wrote the faq and not some imposter who's using ElectroSpecter's name on here (anything's possible, it seems), though I guess that's not likely in this case. Hope it works out!


 * As for why you had to change your name: this Wiki's user database is essentially "shared" with all the other wikis in the Wikia kingdom of wikis, meaning that I could go over to the StarCraft wiki and edit with my username without creating it because it's already been registered into Wikia's main database by myself by registering an account at Golden Sun universe. It's most likely ElectroSpecter has been taken by someone else in the past, in a Wiki far far away. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 17:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Embarrassingly enough, I just realized that. You'll laugh when you see my signature. Anyway, yeah, it IS me, and if I need to prove it, I can just update the FAQ with a little blurb at the end giving you guys permission, blah blah.--ElectroSpecter 13:02, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikia Gaming footer
I went ahead and added a Wikia Gaming footer to the bottom of the Main Page. We're trying to get Wikia's gaming wikis more linked with each other. It's not mandatory, so you can remove it if you really hate it, but it would be appreciated if you didn't :). You can change the links to point to any other wikia wikis you like or cooperate with. Ausir 15:48, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't have a problem with it at all, though I do have a question: is the footer fairly standard on the wikis it does appear on? &mdash;Hinoa talk.un 23:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Template problems
I don't know who the expert on this type of thing is, but I've noticed a few problems with various templates: That's about all I've found right now, but if I can find any more I'll let you know. I just hope someone can fix these things sooner or later, preferrably sooner. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 01:29, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) On the shop template, if you type Armor in as the class, the link that appears is List of Armors rather than List of Armor. I guess it would be easiest to just make a redirect, but I noticed that we don't have a similar problem with Gloves and Clothing. Armor should probably be fixed to be the same way.
 * 2) On the bestiary template, if you type Weasel's Claw into the drops section, you don't get a picture like the rest of the items do. This is probably because the image's link is Image:Weasels Claw.gif and not Image:Weasel's Claw.gif. It's all about the apostrophe. I haven't the slightest clue how to fix this, but there may be similar problems with other items, so keep your eyes peeled.
 * 3) Another thing about Bestiaries: Why don't we have a column for a monster's PP. I know that a lot of monsters don't have any PP, but it's one of the main paramaters in the game. I can understand that we shouldn't include everything, like attacks and elemental power and resistance (it would get just way too crowded), but I think that PP should be included at least. Why isn't it?
 * Parts 1 and 2 are technically User:Hinoa's department, because it's insanely technical, but I can answer why I think PP is better left out of the simple bestiaries: PP on monsters only exist as fuel for some of their Psynergy moves, and in most battling cases their Psynergy spells are about as strong as their Monster Skills. Knowing that the opponent has a PP meter doesn't help as much as knowing the opponent's Agility rating because PP is just a minor aspect of the monsters' battling abilities, and the Bestiaries list only the most important aspects of those monsters for players to know and know easily. If there were more spells and other effects like Psy Drain which act based on the target's PP ratings, listing PP ratings right up there with HP ratings would seem more important, but PP ratings are probably best left on the Monster Line pages with the elemental powers and resistances.
 * All that said, it's not like I actually have anything against adding a PP parameter, so you can ask Hinoa to add it for you if you think it's important enough. (Here's hoping there'll be GS3 which has new spells that work with enemy PP meters! ;) Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 05:09, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks for clearing that up. Of course, rather than making new Psynergies, they should just give the monsters more PP and spells in the first place. Plus, PP is still very important with some bosses, although in the case of auto-recover bosses (like Dullahan) it still doesn't matter. But I digress (funny word, eh?). I'll make sure Hinoa knows about this, and thanks again. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 05:24, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Dammit, there's always a few things I forget to code. Will get on that ASAP. &mdash;Hinoa talk.un 04:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Issue #2 has been addressed directly. Issue #1 can be avoided by adding  to the end of wherever you need the image to appear.  And Erik already dealt with issue #3. &mdash;Hinoa talk.un 05:05, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks guys. I'll get to work adding a couple other Weasel's Claws now. I just hope nothing else comes up... The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 16:43, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * ...aaand it did. Um, Hinoa, although the link works now, it doesn't quite look right. Of course, the link isn't red anymore, so this isn't anywhere near as urgent. But please handle it when you get the chance. Thanks again! The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 16:52, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Gaming wiki chat this Sunday
Hi all,

On Sunday October 14th there is going to be an IRC chat for gaming wikis at the #wikia-gaming channel. Contributors, admins, and foudners of all/all gaming-related wiki on Wikia are invited to discuss common issues that we might have, sharing our experiences, and helping each other out. The time of the chat will be:

Please help to spread the word, and hope to see you there!

-User:PanSola 16:44, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikia Gaming IRC channel
Hullo! I am Kirkburn, your friendly local Wikia Gaming Helper!

You may be interested to know there is a Wikia gaming IRC channel, #wikia-gaming on chat.freenode.net, where you can hop on, ask for help from users of other gaming wikis, or offer your own experiences. If you are not familiar with IRC clients, you can access it from http://irc.wikia.com/gaming.

Different people may be on sporadically, but we organize weekly chats at a fixed time so we can get the most number of people online at the same time to ask and answer questions, or just to hang out. The admins of some of Wikia's biggest gaming wikis (e.g. WoW, Halo) often attend them. You can find the time for the next chat by following this link.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask me! Kirkburn (talk) 21:02, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Monster line images
I've a feeling there will have to be some discussion about whether to use the still-images-with-backgrounds that are on the most of the monster pages or use the animated gifs provided by another website. It looks like the two different formats each have their own advantages: The animated gifs that Guille Skye has been uploading show each monster as something more "alive" and in more detail, and other websites use these sprites in their information pages. The still images I've been uploading all this time, however, satisfy Wikia image guidelines better in that they're images this wiki made for itself as opposed to images taken off other sites. Also, they're more accurately scaled to how big the monsters actually appear in the games, and each image shows the background the monster is fought in, which in a sense gives more context and information about the monster in its own way. If it'll either have to be one format over the other the whole way for the monster images, we'd have to decide which of these right now... but check Toad monster line for a method that incorporates images of both formats together in one page. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 17:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * If we have to choose one or the other, I'd say use the still images because the backgrounds give you an idea of how big the monsters really are. I do like the Toad solution, though. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 21:42, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

A liitle fun
I notice on several other gaming wikias (such as the zeldapedia) that they have polls on the homepage. Would that be acceptible on this site? We could find out a little bit more about our users with questions like Which Golden Sun was Better? or Who would win in a fight, Isacc or Felix? Just a thought. Zabbeth 15:24, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I have no complaints, but I'm not the only one here. What do you guys think? The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 15:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well sure, that'd be interesting and would end up making the wikia look all the more "active". But hopefully it doesn't require a huge amount of esoteric syntax to keep track of, though. And if it does then I'd rather not deal with an additional "chore" in between all the normal editing. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 17:26, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Well it shouldn't take up to much space if we keep it down to two choices for any question and then make it a once-a-month thing.It could be put where the old Create An Article thing was.Zabbeth 19:55, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Meh, just two options seems kinda bland to me. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 20:04, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Well it doesn't have to be just two. It would just be easier that way. I just said that because Erik seemed a little discouraged by the ammount of work it might be.Zabbeth 20:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * But does anyone know the syntax for implementing a poll on a Wiki-style page? That's what I'm wondering about. (And my thought is that it should be its own box that's on the same row as the Recent Articles box, so that there's four equally shaped boxes on the main page.) Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 20:21, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... Maybe you could copy and paste the one from zeldapedia. And then just change a few things. Or does it not work that way? I've just recently learned how to do basic editing a few days ago so I wouldn't know the first thing about making a poll and I don't even know what "syntax" is. We could maybe recruit some people from the zeldapedia if thats possible. Just a thought. Zabbeth 22:01, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

GS3 petition
Someone posted this on the Golden Sun 3 page, I moved it here because (in addition to not really belonging in the article) it seems like a big enough deal that it should be mentioned at the front of the Wiki:

--there is a petition i have just found on the internet whether to create the game "Golden Sun 3" for all the fans who loved the game and it might increase the chance of camelot creating the game click on the link below

--> http://www.petitiononline.com/gs32005/petition.html <--

I would have signed it by now but, well, one required field is your e-mail address and it's been so long since I've been in my e-mail that I forgot my address >_< The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 15:11, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Main page layout
Hullo! I am Kirkburn, your friendly local Wikia Gaming Helper!

Hopefully you have read about the skin and ad changes at Wikia's New Style on Central Wikia. If not, I hope you'll have a look.

One of the changes is a block of two ads on each main page. It's possible that they won't always show up, but to ensure your main page continues to work properly when they do, you need to update your main page column formatting code with new column tags.

I have drafted a main page using the new tags on User:Kirkburn/Dev which I hope you can take a look at - feel free to make a copy and edit it. Though the layout may seem restrictive at first, there really is a fair amount you can do with them - for example see these customized main pages - Muppet Wiki, WoWWiki, FFXIclopedia. You may want to chat with your wiki community about what direction to take with a new main page.

If you encounter any problems with the new tags, please let us know.

My apologies for any inconvenience these changes bring. Thank you for your time, Kirkburn (talk) 19:03, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The layout on your dev page is the way all wikia main pages are expected to generally look like, right? Might as well copy/paste it right away if so. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 22:10, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The column tags, yes - but I still want it to look very much individual to the wiki. Kirkburn (talk) 17:21, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I've switched to the new layout - it should all be very familiar :) Kirkburn (talk) 17:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, on my FireFox browser the right column boxes obscure the top "Welcome to Golden Sun Universe" box with the links about game elements and characters, and the left column stretches much longer down than the right column enough that putting the new Helping Out box in the right column would balance out the page's layout more. Can these be addressed? Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 00:18, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I can't explain the Welcome box problem, but I think I just figured out why one column is longer than the other. Normally my computer logs me out of everything when I shut it off, so whenever I come here I have to log in manually again (I don't know if this is normal or not). I don't normally head back to the main page after logging in, but I did recently and I noticed that the ads that should be there aren't. For people not logged in, there's an ad pushing the right column down a ways, enough that it just barely passes the "recent changes" section. That's probably why it looks wierd to you, you never saw it while logged out. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 17:02, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I have not been here for a while but is this new "Main Page" being forced on us? Personally it looks a little... jumbled. It looks like everything just got thrown together and now it's one big mess. I'm all for a little change but this just seems like it needs quite a bit of clean-up. But that's just my opinion, anyone else?Zabbeth 15:42, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I guess it does look a bit off. I don't really mind the two-column approach, but it bothers me that the "About Us" and "News" sections have been shoved off to the side rather than being at the top, not to mention you have to scroll down so far to see them. Then again, if we were to move it around so that they were back in their old spots while still keeping the present format...well, that would probably look weird too. Great, if it's not one problem, it's another. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 16:38, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Heya, do feel free to reorganise it how you want. Regarding any problems, can you screenshot and prod me? It's always useful to see what problems might occur, and look at workarounds. Kirkburn (talk) 12:08, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually I had just realized that it was only displaying like that because at the time I had my browser window scaled to be much narrower than normal, and when one does that the column to the right is essentially "forced over" the right section of the top bar. When the window's full screen it looks fine. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 02:17, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Is it just me, or is the Venus themed box kinda... red? It seems to be the same color as the mars box for some reason... just with a different outline, and properly colored header... RoleOfDATS 08:03, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks like it's just the way your browser's rendering it, because the Venus box is outright bright yellow to mine, while the Mars Box is reddish violet or pink and much darker on the screen. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 21:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The header and outline of it look yellow, but the background is the exact same color as the Mars box. Atrius 22:44, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * ...Really? I checked the main page with multiple different browsers, and I still have a hard time seeing any similarities between those two general sections of the page, because the backgrounds behind the text content of each section look pretty much blank to me. Looking at it extremely hard, though, I do think I notice there's a slight hint of red the background of both of them; if that's what you guys are referring to, your browsers must be displaying the red-ness of the blank-ish backgrounds a lot more boldly than on mine. In that case, maybe one of you should try changing the Venus box's background color using Web Colors on Wikipedia as a reference, and see if you can pick and place a color that's an even paler color than the slight red of the Mars box. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 23:05, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Eh, it hardly matters, but I'll adjust the colors anyway. I'm also experiencing some problems with the right column overlapping the box with the title and links in it, so I'm gonna attempt to fix that too.  I hope that's alright.  Atrius 00:29, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * That does look better! Thanks. =D As for the overlapping issue, that's something that's always been there, and it only occurs based on how narrowly your web browser window's displaying the page. I'm not even sure how necessary "fixing" it is, or even if it's possible to fix that issue, but you're free to try... Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 02:51, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I had fixed the overlapping problem by moving the title box above the columns, but for some reason Wikia started putting the ad that was supposed to be in the right column above everything leaving a large gap at the top of the page... The problem is with how wide the title box is.  Now I moved the category links in it to the bottom so it's thinner, and doesn't end up leaking over into the right column.  Atrius 04:33, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Nice one.
I love the new Directory, it looks very good. Though like all new things there are a few problems. First of all the pictures don't actually fit into the box. The ones on the right are bleeding into About Us and News sections. I think they need to be slightly smaller. The second thing is that it made the rest of the Main Page seem older. Vibrant pictures next to old text is not very appealing, is their anyway to spice up the other sections? Oh, and one more thing, I think the box labled "The World" should actaully show the world of Weyard and not just Babi's Lighthouse. But that's just me.Zabbeth 14:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Aha, that's important for me to know because I use a widescreen 1680 x 1050 monitor that allows my browser to be as large as it needs for the directory buttons to fit, and thus I can't know on my own how it fits for people with smaller displays. Shortening the width of the buttons and changing the background of the world button can be done, though I'm not aware of any way the other boxes could be "updated"... It's not like the entire Internet's totally familiar with the text on the old boxes anyway, though. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 17:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Whoa, I wasn't being sarcastic if that's what you were thining. I actually think it looks good. But I use a standard screen and I also tried the wikipedia style skin and it's actaully worse on that. But really I just think the boxes need to be a bit smaller for us standard screen users.

I also think we need to archive this page, it's getting pretty big.Zabbeth 18:02, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Huh? I didn't think anything of the sort! Lol. To clarify that last sentence, I think that even though it may feel like old, familiar text alongside an awesome new visual directory feature, we probably shouldn't expect all the viewers of the internet to recognize that or care about it, since there might be new viewers coming in all the time. But anyway, I finished adjusting them already. ^_^ Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 18:09, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Right, so I had reconstructed the buttons with their PhotoShop files so that each of them are 20 pixels less wide, and the world button shows a world map Angara. It might take a while for the Wiki software to register the new versions of the images so that they don't display as scrunched up versions of the older wider ones. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 18:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I want to say that the Golden Sun games are the best! I am a fan personally of Felix and his crew, but Isaac and his crew are still pretty awesome! I also want to say that  GOLDEN SUN DS IS COMMING OUT IN OCTOBER!!!!!!!  A guy at gamecrazy told me that. I also think that Felix and Sheba should be couple, also: Isaac and Jenna and Mia and Garet. I also say the proplem for this game should be that alex found out about some new problem but they won't listen to him. I would also like to say that the main charater should not be Isaac's son, he was like 16 and him not being able to go on an adventure makes him seem to old!


 * Well, for all we know Isaac is off on some new adventure and his son starts his quest by looking for his father. It's really too soon to say, so we just need to be patient. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 17:38, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

There are Others...
I know this is kind of weird for somebody to notice but the Wise one says that some of the golden sun's power went to Isaac because he held the Mars star after the Wise one put power around it. I thought about this and then I remembered that Felix and Karst also held the Mars star for a little while, wouldn't that mean that they would get some power too? If Karst lives she would have more power than Felix because she had the Mars star longer. I know this is way out there but it's an important to know.
 * Actually, the Wise One said that he imbued the Mars Star "with some of the power of the forming Golden Sun", and that thus the portion of the Golden Sun's power that Alex now lacks is in Isaac. However, I always thought that since it was the all-powerful Wise One that caused that effect, he simply made sure through some sort of magic that only Isaac would get that power regardless of there being anyone else holding the jewel, since it was in the collapsing Elemental Star Chamber at the start of the game that the Wise One did that with the Mars Star while Isaac was in there with him to begin with. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 21:19, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Lemurian ships and other random questions
Uuuuhhhh how did Isaac and his crew control their ship without a wheel? and if Alex did steal their ship he would need the black orb which they have. Also why didn't they have to put the orb in the ship's power room like Peirs? And another thing, their ship looks like it has wings. Karst and Agito might have drop Alex off by the little section of land by Vale, Karst did say he was on the ship when she talked with Felix and co. and why are there no cats, you see puppies but no cats, also how is Move a fire element?76.115.102.113 02:58, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * These are just random, probably not helpful, answers, but meh, here goes: Ship was (partially) controlled through psynergy, or so says Babi. The rest are probably just art issues, I could come up with some fanwanky explanation, like Babi's ship is older than Piers', but really it doesn't matter, it's just artwork. Alex was trying to steal Piers' ship, but didn't have that black orb either, maybe he stole Isaac's via that (unused) method (though there's no real reason to assume he stole it in the first place). As for land, they state in-game that there's no suitable docking points anywhere near vale. There's a cat in Lemuria. As for Move... its Mars because the developers chose Mars *shrug* Why is lift Mercury? Because they said so XD Slax01 10:20, February 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I always wondered why they assign elements to the "hand Psynergies." As far as I can tell, they're effectively elementless. ...Yeah, nothing else to say. ^_^; The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 18:14, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Okay this has to do with the bosses guarding the summon tablets. Wouldn't they be released when the djinn were because there would be no reason for them with out the djinn. And why does Sentinel look like Deadbeard's brother. Deadbeard could be Lemurain because most of his Psynergy is mercury, because he is totally an Adept.Also why doesn't Poesiden keep hitting himself when you use Mold. And shouldn't the people by Aqua rock be Adepts?76.115.102.113 01:54, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * While it's true the Djinn are what the Adepts need in order to perform any summons, maybe Golden Sun DS or some other game might show that that is not the only way they can be summoned (and maybe all the tablets provide is information on how to summon them rather than the actual power to summon them). Sentinel doesn't look that much like Deadbeard in my opinion, even though they have the same boss music. Deadbeard's Psynergy is actually only somewhat Mercury (Freeze Prism and Break), and is also Jupiter (Spark Plasma, Impact, Ward) and Mars (Inferno, Guard). In fact, Deadbeard has more Jupiter Psynergy than Mercury Psynergy, so he's probably not Lemurian. Even though he's a ghost, he probably still is an Adept because he can use Psynergy. If Poseidon doesn't hit himself when you use Mold on him, that probably means the game developers at Camelot programmed the game good, making sure a glitch like that doesn't happen. The people of Apojii Islands probably don't become Adepts because they don't get exposed to Psynergy Stone particles, since Aqua Rock isn't windy and can't blow the particles all the way over to Apojii the way Air's Rock blows its Psynergy Stone particles to the town of Garoh. Erik Jensen (Appreciate me here!) 03:20, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

Villian? Or Hero?
I've looked closley at the unconfirmed character on the GSDD's website. I'm thinking perhaps he Felix? Piers? Or the guy who held Rief hostage? Any speculations? Information? 74.244.14.135 02:33, October 24, 2010 (UTC)#

Atteka and Hesperia moved
There isn't just Indra that was moved by the Great Earthquake and the Great Flood after Venus Lighthouse enlightment: Atteka and Hesperia moved too, as seen when one compares the two in-game maps and the map Lunpa brought with him to Lemuria (which I have not seen in this wiki). I think it sould be told somehow. Furthermore, Contigo and Shaman couln't probably have been at war if they were so faraway like they "presently" are ; both villages are not coastal. In conclusion, Atteka and Hesperia were so close that both villages could reach each other by crossing the river that were once between the two continents, which is easier than crossing sea.

Other characters
Well, do we at least get a look at what the previous characters of GS 1 and 2 look like as adults. :/ Do they atleast get a appearance in Dark Dawn.74.244.14.135 01:50, November 9, 2010 (UTC)#


 * I actually wondered this myself, but I've been on some boards, and it seems only Isaac and Garet make appearances. Others, are only mentioned. Don't quote me on this, as I could be wrong.The Crimson Top 02:35, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

From what I can gather from the japanese version (which I must stress that I can't read), none of the playable characters return other than those two (they do get mentions though). Quite a few NPCs do though. Slax01 05:20, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

Redesign?
I think it would be nice to have the wiki look... special, not generic. I realize we did just move to the MediaWiki system and such but.. is there any plans to customize the color scheme? I would be willing to try to come up with something. Dkpat 14:56, 27 November 2010 (CST)
 * My thoughts exactly. Now, before the wikia's change to the Oasis skin, the Monaco skin it was on had a purple background at its top with gold title bars, which can be seen in this image (never mind that the image depicts a glitch in which the lack of logo at the upper left was the point of interest =P). I don't know whether that should be the direction we return to... Erik the Appreciator 15:17, 27 November 2010 (CST)
 * Well, a couple of things I like; the two column system on wikia. I just think it filled the main page better that way, right now it looks a little barren or something. I think the purple and gold would work but maybe something.. spicier? lol. I happened to run across http://www.goldensunrealm.com/ for one reason or another, and I have to say, I love their design. (of course I know that isn't a wiki and couldn't be styled the same way, but.. I really like their design.) Dkpat 19:29, 27 November 2010 (CST)
 * Getting the two-column layout back to the way it was is the first thing that needs to be dealt with, so help in this area would be much appreciated. Erik the Appreciator 20:02, 27 November 2010 (CST)
 * I see the two column layout was implemented! It had a bug in 1024x768 though with the directory images being pushed outside of their box. I fixed that real quick. Do we want the title moved to the other column on top of the directory? Just seems nicer that way to me, Content is typically on the left more than the right and I expect a page title to be either centered or left aligned, not on the right. Dkpat 23:55, 27 November 2010 (CST)
 * I would move the title bar to the left and the Did You Know to the bottom right to balance it out. Erik the Appreciator 00:01, 28 November 2010 (CST)
 * Done! :D Dkpat 00:09, 28 November 2010 (CST)

I tried working it based on some coding I have at WiKirby, somehow a lot went wrong,(see my talk page) the sidebar shriveled up and the entire interface shrunk... I'm inclined to suggest a slight rebuilding based off of the page code I use at my wiki but replacing colors, images, etc with what's on this main page. Axiomist 00:05, 28 November 2010 (CST)
 * Well, Dkpat's edit just now seems to have been sufficient... Erik the Appreciator 00:10, 28 November 2010 (CST)
 * Oh my, what in the world happened there? lol, how did that happen. It is kinda amazing lol Dkpat 00:13, 28 November 2010 (CST)

So, after looking around a little bit for skins, i found this one that may be adaptable to the right color scheme. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Gallery_of_user_styles#Rounded_Blue_Edition It is one of the better skins I've seen for a wiki (well, I think so at least.) and, if you see this, very nice job with your skin on WiKirby, Axiomist. Dkpat 01:05, 28 November 2010 (CST)
 * Eh, sure, try that out. Not sure if gold would be the best color, though, that might be too gaudy. Perhaps more in the color range from light blue to dark purple, like that official art of the first three Dark Dawn characters and Azul. Erik the Appreciator 01:10, 28 November 2010 (CST)
 * umm... Can I try it out? lol. I am a bit of a web designer sure but... I'm not a real expert on wikis. Wouldn't an admin have to upload the theme and edit it themselves? Can a user actually do that successfully? Dkpat 01:17, 28 November 2010 (CST)
 * Sorry, I was more implying that I was recommending this to whichever higher-rank users did have the ability to implement skins appropriately, which I guess would be Axiomist and Aredmoon, the users that helped move the wiki over. Erik the Appreciator 01:22, 28 November 2010 (CST)
 * Ahh.. gotcha, no worries :) Dkpat 01:27, 28 November 2010 (CST)
 * The Rounded Blue skin was the first we tried with WiKirby, I was going to mention that we ditched it on account of the impossible IE fixes and that the developer hasn't done anything at all with it since 2007, but it looks like they have addressed the issues we had with it. Greenpickle of the Pikmin Wiki expressed interest in designing a skin in CSS, which would leave a header image, background image, or any others. I suppose the best thing to do would be to create a master list of colors and images that could be drawn from. Colors (here) This is one of millions of color code charts, but if you guys could pick say 3-6 colors that would be used the most, more than that imo makes a wiki too colorful (akin to regurgitating Fruity Pepples), a few shades of some of the more dominant colors that will be around here, and link to exact images that you think define the theme or should be used somehow, that would make things easier. WiKirby is trying to stay with vibrant colors, WikiBound has a lot of pastels, and Animal Crossing Wiki uses earth tones, I would guess this is a good starting point for Golden Sun related designing, no? But anyone can try rewriting the CSS for themselves by creating a subpage to their userpage ending with /monobook.css Axiomist 08:16, 28 November 2010 (CST)
 * I am a CSS person myself, I use CSS for just about everything. though I have to ask, if a user does change their css/js, is it possible for others to view it with their styles? so that if i were to make a skin in that nature, would others be able to see it/how would they be? ~ dkpat 08:34, 28 November 2010 (CST)
 * They would have to have it copied over to their own .css and .js pages, or with rights to edit MediaWiki pages, you could change the main css. That right comes with admin privileges, which can always be toggled if you currently aren't one. This wiki has been developing a skin entirely in Monobook.css and common.js files. We're helping them when possible, despite their content not being NIWA eligible. They are migrating from Wikia too :p The background file they use is a clever trick, it's a repeating pattern image. Axiomist 08:50, 28 November 2010 (CST)
 * Very nice. lol, I'm impressed they've gotten that far with monobook. I may look into monobook editing after seeing that. Also, I set up a testing wiki for me with the rounded blue theme defaultly applied, check it if you want to see the rounded blue theme in action instead of just a screenshot. http://www.montgomerycountyfbla.com/gsmw/ ~ dkpat 08:54, 28 November 2010 (CST)
 * Yeah I still love that skin, We had it working beautifully for FireFox, all of the flowers were changed to stars with that same ice effect, which lead to our current header image. I'm not sure of any saved screenshots of it tho. Our main problems started when we tried to add another field of sidebar boxes, all of our issues were IE related. So I suppose you should start trying to see how much was fixed by trying to break it. If any of you guys use skype's im features, search for "axiomist" and I can add you to the NIWA chat where more people could pitch in, however much or little they can. Skype's known for it's voice and video chats, but we use it as a group instant messenger (text). That's the main reason so many of our talk pages are bare.Axiomist 09:14, 28 November 2010 (CST)
 * Awesome, i might do that, but... I have a problem. I can't get the user monobook.css changes to apply. I'm editing my monobook.css here and none of it is applying. my theme is set to monobook. any ideas?? ~ dkpat 09:16, 28 November 2010 (CST)

Hey guys, I need a bit of help with the skin, basically, I just need a huge banner. to go at the top. (well, it isn't really required but.. I would suggest it.) take a look at http://www.montgomerycountyfbla.com/gsmw/ and see where it says "somethign better here later" i need something better there. lol. file dimensions. 2000 width by 250 tall. please come up with an awesome banner, or give me suggestions, it would be greatly appreciated. :D ~ dkpat 16:07, 30 November 2010 (CST)
 * Do you know that enormous official promotional art of the three first main characters of Dark Dawn - Matthew, Tyrell, and Karis - standing in front of the water-dragon summon Azul? I've created two test concepts for a 2000 x 250 banner from that that - this one in full color and this one in sort of a "blue monochrome". Choose and/or modify whichever one you need. Erik the Appreciator 19:19, 30 November 2010 (CST)
 * Though, uh, I just realized that these test banner images are missing a few pixels worth of vertical space from the left end... Erik the Appreciator 19:26, 30 November 2010 (CST)
 * Well.. one thing to remember is most users' resolution is 1024x768. really the 2000 pixels is only for the huge screens so they aren't left with absolutely nothing on the rest of their screen. so... most people won't even see half of that. Sorry, should have mentioned that earlier. ~ dkpat 19:31, 30 November 2010 (CST)
 * Heh, I had already finished filling that in with color and uploading as separate images on Photobucket by the time I saw your comment here ;) So now I know you won't need these versions. Since these copies of the earlier files were saved as jpgs not on the highest image quality setting, these should be slightly less sharp than before, too, so better not use these. Erik the Appreciator 19:39, 30 November 2010 (CST)
 * Hmm... It may actually work... I'll see what I can do. btw, check it now, for included logo I blew up onto it. tell me what you think of it. ~ dkpat 19:46, 30 November 2010 (CST)
 * Very impressive that you managed to create those Golden Sun-like letters. I think it should look great. Erik the Appreciator 19:51, 30 November 2010 (CST)
 * Well thanks but.. it is just the viking font, some font used in the little wiki thing on here now. heh... yeah ~ dkpat 20:08, 30 November 2010 (CST)

Umm.. wow, i'm actually liking this, check it! ~ dkpat 20:24, 30 November 2010 (CST)
 * Yeah! However, doesn't it seem a little out of place that the lighter blue boxy parts around the navigation and content areas are visible against the darker blue at the bottom of the banner itself? I would suggest changing the dark blue color at the bottom of the banner to match the brighter version exactly. Also, if you're going to place the banner so that its left end begins at the left side of the user's browser screen, then maybe the contents of the entire image should be shifted left one inch, so that more people will see at least the left two characters right away, and the leftover space all the way at the right end of the banner should be filled with more blue. Erik the Appreciator 20:33, 30 November 2010 (CST)
 * yeah... sorry, I was trying to fix that for 10 minutes.. I hate photoshop sometimes (and its stupid.. web safe colors.. all good now though :D I really do like it, thanks for the amazing idea! I'll check into that moving of it now~ dkpat 20:36, 30 November 2010 (CST)
 * I'm not so sure I can move it... the idea is to fill the screen for those with higher resolutions... I can maybe move it to get Mathew in on 1024x768, but that's it. ~ dkpat 21:01, 30 November 2010 (CST)
 * Well, I use a big 1680 x 1050 resolution, and when I stretch out my browser, Tyrell's sword just barely starts to be visible. In other words, roughly the rightmost three inches get cut off for people using my "big" resolution. Are there really many people out there that actually use a resolution that's even higher than that? I'd say they would be rare, and because of what kind of content the wiki's pages are filled up with, people would be encouraged to have their browser window more shaped like a square fit for 1024 x 768-width screens anyway. And since the rightmost end of the banner seems to end in a thorough blue without much detail, it just seems that it's best to move the contents of the banner left exactly half an inch (so that the search bar fits between Matthew's armpit and Karis' head), and fill the leftover half-an-inch at the right end with the blue. Erik the Appreciator 21:13, 30 November 2010 (CST)
 * .. umm sorry I don't think in inches.. I think in pixels (tis something I've gotten from web designing.) I can move it 130 pixels. (not positive how that really translates to inches.. hmm let me check with Photoshop real quick..... that translates into about 1.8 inches, so yeah, it's all good. lol. I'll move it over a bit. ~ dkpat 21:23, 30 November 2010 (CST)
 * ok, done, better? ~ dkpat 21:47, 30 November 2010 (CST)
 * That's actually a little more to the left than I was thinking. But if you think that's where it looks best, you don't need to do anymore changes. Erik the Appreciator 21:52, 30 November 2010 (CST)
 * Well, what that does is puts all of Matthew's face on a 1024 resolution. I think it look nice having his whole face rather than half of his face for those users. lol. (personally, I use 1440x700 and 1028x960.. dual monitor) Soooo... Can we get it uploaded to this wiki, I want to see it integrated to continue making fixes. (not necessarily as the default theme yet.)
 * Yeah, ok, if it means his whole face is visible then that's the best place to put it. Now it can be upload here. Erik the Appreciator 22:05, 30 November 2010 (CST)

We need ARedMoon for that, if I'm not mistaken... Do you have a way to contact him? ~ dkpat 22:10, 30 November 2010 (CST)
 * It ought to be enough for me to post on his talk page. Erik the Appreciator 22:16, 30 November 2010 (CST)
 * gocha, tell him to contact me as a package the theme up then ~ dkpat 22:17, 30 November 2010 (CST)

Color Scheme
If we can come up with a color scheme, I can probably implement it into the roundedblue skin. just gotta make sure we got colors we like. ~ dkpat 14:40, 28 November 2010 (CST)
 * I asked Tina from WikiBound (after the suggestion from Axiomist) for ideas. Here is her suggestion. Color Scheme 1 Personally, I like the colors. the dark blue for a background, with the golds in the menus. She is coming up with a few more but I do like this one. I'll post the others shortly. EDIT: That images now houses all 6 color schemes she came up with, a lot of them are very similar, but they all look ok to me. ~ dkpat 22:00, 28 November 2010 (CST)
 * If you want my opinion, number 1 looks best, the darker colours seem to fit better. Some Color Mage 22:46, 28 November 2010 (CST)
 * Yeah, these are generally the color range we want to make the wiki look good, but I'm looking forward to seeing how one of these will actually look in practice. Hopefully that will be soon ;) Erik the Appreciator 23:54, 28 November 2010 (CST)

Quirks
Now that it is live, If you find any quirks or such, just let me know here If it is something you can't do yourself. Thanks! ~ dkpat 00:12, 1 December 2010 (CST)
 * Right, this is going to take some getting used to, what with how Matthew's forehead and almost his eyes are cut off by my user bar at the top (though people who are logged out probably won't have this happen for them, as their user bar just has "Login/Create Account" and is therefore short in length, which allows room to see more of his head). Probably the first little thing I want to bring attention to is how each page's tabs like "page", "discussion", "edit", all look like they are disjointed lower-right corners of full navigation bars because for every one, only the lower right corner is rounded. They should be reshaped to look more uniform together. Erik the Appreciator 00:21, 1 December 2010 (CST)
 * I'm also thinking that with the brown boxes, the light brown part should be very slightly lighter brown, just so that the text will be easier to notice. Also, should the darker-brown parts surrounding each box be around 2 or 3 pixels less thick? Erik the Appreciator 00:34, 1 December 2010 (CST)


 * As for the banner, after thinking about it long enough, I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't fit as the site's banner as well as it should. The three main characters aren't on equal elevations, therefore making Matthew seem too high and Karis seem too low, and the way the banner makes the top of the screen feel like it's trying to show you Matthew, Karis, the staff she is holding, your user bar, the large Golden Sun Universe title, the small wiki logo to the far left, and the search bar all at once makes it seemed cluttered, which is definitely something that should be avoided.
 * Therefore, I've uploaded two more banner images based on the same artwork to try out: Azul's face and a Mercury Djinni, and the stormy sky above Azul flipped upside-down. These are far simpler to look at, and the big Golden Sun Universe title should fit well onto these without clashing with anything else. In fact, the first one with the two creatures may line up well with where the big title and the search bar are right now, so I recommend uploading that first as the new site banner. Erik the Appreciator 01:27, 1 December 2010 (CST)


 * Hey, I just joined, and after looking at the previous skin, I am really impressed with the new one. The banner to me didn't feel cluttered at all, I quite like it. I'm not a big fan of the two banners that were suggested by Erik.. Sorry, lol. But yea, just thought I'd throw it out there. Good work. =D Thra1l 09:30, 1 December 2010 (CST)
 * Internal links turn white, needs to be fixed.~ dkpat 14:32, 1 December 2010 (CST)
 * Also, redlinks to articles that aren't made yet appear blue just like the links to existing articles. This should be fixed. Erik the Appreciator 14:44, 1 December 2010 (CST)

Framed Images.. frame is white, looks bad. ~ dkpat 16:38, 1 December 2010 (CST)

Two major, MAJOR recommendations

 * 1) Major: Get one of these
 * 2) MAJOR MAJOR: Do NOT be like Wikia and leave no lines separating headers. I can't tell what type of header anything is on this wiki and I hate thinking Oasis! 71.249.93.228 17:30, 1 December 2010 (CST)
 * 1: I've been wanting to do this, but that does encompass manually uploading every one of the little wiki icons, right?
 * 2: I'm not quite sure I grasp what you mean exactly. Are you recommending that syntax looks like this?

== List of consoles == *Game Boy Advance *Nintendo DS
 * Seems arbitrary, but I suppose there's no reason why not to do it like this... Erik the Appreciator 17:37, 1 December 2010 (CST)
 * Every NIWA wiki has one. I did it for the ACWiki. You do not have to have the icons, but the list is a standard. It usually goes at the bottom of the main page. SuperAlpaca 17:40, 1 December 2010 (CST)
 * But I would say that the icons are a good touch that should be taken. Erik the Appreciator 17:43, 1 December 2010 (CST)

Note the small, gray line underneath the header on here? Yeah. Standard feature for wikis and all? Not on here? And yes, you do not need icons but they make the page look better. 71.249.93.228 18:44, 1 December 2010 (CST)

You didn't need to copy the exact design... change it to Golden Sun colors why don't ya? (Awkward...) Also speaking of Golden Sun I find it odd the huge "GOLDEN SUN UNIVERSE" logo above all articles does not link to the main page. 71.249.93.228 18:46, 1 December 2010 (CST)
 * Oh ok. (You should've said horizontal rules as part of each header) Hopefully the other guys handling the code will get that implemented too, thanks for pointing out that was missing (same thing with the giant title). And sure, I'll try to find some other colors for the NIWA section. Erik the Appreciator 18:49, 1 December 2010 (CST)
 * I prefer not having the lines. I think it looks cleaner :) Just my opinion. And as soon as Dillion fixes up the layout, let me know and I can update. (And I'd also like to note that I agreed with some random person up above and say that I much prefer the current banner over the two new suggested ones. The one right now is just tooooo pretty. :( --Aredmoon 02:25, 2 December 2010 (CST)
 * Eh, alright, it looks like many other people are actually much happier with it than I originally anticipated. Erik the Appreciator 11:12, 2 December 2010 (CST)

Checklist to do
Alright, so this is an easier-to-read list of the small but important things that need to be fixed as soon as possible:
 * 1) Make all the editing tabs of each page rounded on all four corners instead of just the lower right corner, and make the rounding a little less wide
 * 2) Make links to non-existent articles redlinks like they were before
 * 3) Fix the white box things you see going on at pages like Flint
 * 4) Make the search bar on top showcase available article titles when you start typing in letters, like on WikiBound
 * 5) Make the giant Golden Sun universe title redirect to the main page just like the icon to the left of it

Also, I don't suppose we'll have any way to edit the contents of the Navigation box on the left without relying on the users that know about the deeper code of MediaWiki? Erik the Appreciator 15:30, 2 December 2010 (CST)
 * MediaWiki:Sidebar - And if we link the title, do we need the little logo to the left? We could potentially just take it out. --Aredmoon 15:33, 2 December 2010 (CST)
 * Maybe that could be taken out, but in your opinion would that make the left part of the screen looking more bare? Erik the Appreciator 15:44, 2 December 2010 (CST)
 * I think the little logo should be taken out personally, It looks a bit repetitive. lol.. I copuld either move the text logo over thaqt way more, and/or make it bigger to fill in space if you think it looks empty without it. After thinking for quite a while about how in the world to link that image, I think I've got it figured out now so it's all good. (the logo is the same image as the entire banner. lol, hotspots it is!) and thanks Erik, I was actually meaning to make a todo list from all of this, this just makes it simpler. ~ dkpat 17:19, 2 December 2010 (CST)
 * Err.... according to the code those dead links are supposed to be red... umm.. I don't quite understand why they aren't... This will take a bit... I did fix the white border around the images though.~ dkpat 18:46, 2 December 2010 (CST)

Todo list now:
 * 1) Make all the editing tabs of each page rounded on all four corners instead of just the lower right corner, and make the rounding a little less wide
 * 2) Make links to non-existent articles redlinks like they were before FINALLY AFTER AN HOUR OF FRUSTRATION!!!!!
 * 3) Fix the white box things you see going on at pages like Flint
 * 4) Make the search bar on top showcase available article titles when you start typing in letters, like on WikiBound
 * 5) Make the giant Golden Sun universe title redirect to the main page just like the icon to the left of it

I will continue updating this list here as I do stuff soo.. yeah. lol ~ dkpat 19:14, 2 December 2010 (CST)
 * Aredmoon already fixed number 4. Strangely enough, I'm seeing neither numbers 3 and 5 fixed. Maybe it's my cache, or you didn't actually upload it so that it's public to all the other users? Erik the Appreciator 19:48, 2 December 2010 (CST)
 * I FINALLY GOT THE FREAKING LINKS RIGHT! they were really getting on my nerves... anyways, yeah the changes won't be seen till I get contact with aRedMoon to upload them here ~ dkpat 20:12, 2 December 2010 (CST)
 * Yeah, I fixed #4 without even realizing it. :P When I updated LocalSettings.php earlier, I just turned on the suggest... didn't even realize it was in the list.
 * The struck out fixes should be live now. --Aredmoon 21:43, 2 December 2010 (CST)