Talk:Golden Sun series/Implications

Non-Adepts seeing Psynergy
Ikan and Kaba's ability to see Psynergy isn't unheard of. If you remember back to GS, Babi and Iodem could see it too but they never posessed Psynergy unless they had the Cloack Ball with them. Iodem describes it as "incredible" or something along those lines. Briggs can also see Psynergy. Obaba COULD be an adept, but she doesn't act like one, more of just a normal blacksmith. She's just a descendent of Ankhol. Chinkycandie 21:21, 16 April 2011


 * Babi and Iodem I vaguely remember, although I'll have to double-check exactly what they saw. As for Briggs, when did he ever comment on seeing Psynergy? And did Obaba, because I don't remember that, either? P.S. You forgot to sign. The World&#39;s Hungriest Paperweight 21:43, 16 April 2011 (CDT)


 * In TLA, after the batle with Briggs he states to Felix "Your strange powers overwhealmed me." He also states that Eoleo has strange powers when you Mind Read him in Prison and he seems to notice Eoleo trying to use Move on the key. He is also sure that he saw Matthew use Psynergy when you visit him in Port Rago.
 * As for Obaba, I never said she was an adept but her page did. She also asks "What are you? I thought my Salamander was invincible." Chinkycandie 21:59, 16 April 2011 (CDT)


 * I'm not convinced. First of all, most people can see the end result of Psynergy, so Briggs may have just been referring to the fireballs and windstorms thrown about by Felix and co. As for in DD, we don't know what exactly he saw. Maybe it was just the... Uhh, what's it called? The thing you use Grip on? He might have just seen it move, not the hand that pulled on it. Ikan and Kaba, however, specifically mention seeing the Psynergy as a kind of light, whereas Kaba's father couldn't see it.
 * As for Obaba, I'm going to have to go fix that. The World&#39;s Hungriest Paperweight 22:09, 16 April 2011 (CDT)
 * Wait, I just checked Obaba's page. It says that Obaba's not an Adept, so why did you say that her page says she is? And besides, just because she's shocked at her pet losing doesn't mean she can see Psynergy. The World&#39;s Hungriest Paperweight 22:11, 16 April 2011 (CDT)


 * Last time I checked her page it stated she was an adept.
 * As for Briggs' you have to Mind Read him. He doesn't see the light but he knows when someone is using Psynergy, like how he knew Eoleo was trying to free him. Chinkycandie 22:20, 16 April 2011 (CDT)


 * Obaba - Are you talking about the line that says: "While she displays considerable power when manipulating the forge, (specifically, the summoning of the Avimander), it does not appear that Obaba is an Adept, as she does not react when the player uses Psynergy."? Briggs - What sets Kaba and Ikan apart is the fact that they can see the light (no pun intended). Briggs can't. It's possible that Briggs has just been around Eoleo enough to recognize when he's up to something. That's more of a parent thing than a Psynergy thing. Anyways, I'm going to bed soon, so don't expect any more responses from me for about twelve hours. The World&#39;s Hungriest Paperweight 22:30, 16 April 2011 (CDT)


 * Thats the line I'm talking about. It was when I clicked "Random Page" that I got her page and it stated she was an adept (this was some time ago I might add XD). But its fixed now so no worries.
 * I can't remember where, but I do remember reading something how he knows Psynergy will be used by reading body movements. But yes, he cannot see the light.
 * That leaves another question though. Why can't the father see it? Just felt like skipping one person? Chinkycandie 22:54, 16 April 2011 (CDT)

(Resetting indent) Kaba's father: Perhaps we'll never know... Briggs and Eoleo: I found a script for TLA. I haven't found anything about reading body movements, but I looked up the scene where Eoleo tries to break Briggs out of prison. I don't see any dialog to suggest that Briggs can see Psynergy, only recognize when it's being used. Also, one of Briggs' men points out that Felix is present, suggesting that the other pirates know about Eoleo's powers, as well. I don't know if any of that is important, but I thought it was worth mentioning. And now, back to a point we left behind... Babi and Iodem: Here's a script for GS. If you head down to the cutscene after Colosso, Iodem is only able to see Psynergy because of the Cloak Ball. While I won't deny that those two saw Psynergy, I think that's more because Babi learned a few Psynergy tricks of his own while in Lemuria, rather than their "Psynergy-sight" being an innate ability. Or were you referring to another part?

Either way, I just realized something: This entire conversation revolves around assuming that Kaba and Ikan are not secretly Adepts as well, which I think is much more likely ;) The World&#39;s Hungriest Paperweight 12:00, 17 April 2011 (CDT)