Talk:Aqua Squire class series

Merge with Mariner?
This class, quite literally, is Mariner by another name. The only reason it lacks frost is the same reason Angel has douse - they made the frost effect 'special.' Would it not be better to merge this with Mariner, since they're quite literally the same class? 70.253.93.66 15:21, 28 June 2012 (CDT)


 * I don't think they're quite the same class. They have similarities in statistical lineups and Psynergy pools. But given the differences between the Adepts that access each one, I think that, in practice, the two function differently enough to stay separate. --Sippyjuice 18:01, 28 June 2012 (CDT)


 * ...No they don't. You would literally use Aqua Squire as you would Mariner, it's literally the same.  The only difference is that Amiti has a mage build, while Piers had a fighter build.  It's like arguing that Felix's Brute line is totally different from Jenna's brute line because the adepts are so different.  But... you know... they're not.  In this case, Aqua Squire has everything that Mariner does, save for the name.  Another example, Blast (Nova) and Starburst should be considered the same spell, as it's just one renamed to be another.  In this case, Mariner was renamed to make more sense with Amiti's heritage.  Sure, it was more or less half-assed, putting Aqua- in front of the Squire line and calling it a day, but that doesn't change the fact that in terms of hard data, statically it's identical. 70.253.93.66 18:18, 28 June 2012 (CDT)
 * ...I suppose whether to merge them actually is a good question, because of the Wind Seer class series having different Psynergy sets between generations but the GSU article working despite that. It is also true we don't give separate articles to Fire/Fireball/Inferno and Fireball/Fire Orb/Inferno because they have both some different names and some different gameplay specs, so maybe it is worth merging these class pages somehow. Though it'd probably take two separate class statistics tables to accommodate the two different sets of names... Erik the Appreciator 20:12, 28 June 2012 (CDT)


 * I think we can manage with just one stat table. However, I'd like to point out that using the Starburst and Fireball Psynergies as examples isn't quite right. In both cases, only some of the Psynergies are renamed. Others (Inferno, Nova, and Supernova) remain the same. Same thing with the Swordsman/Crusader class: Only the Crusader class had its name changed, while all other classes in the series kept their old names. Mariner and Aqua Squire, though, don't share any names in common. That isn't to say that they shouldn't be merged, just keep in mind that this "rename" (if that really is all it is) isn't the same as most. The World&#39;s Hungriest Paperweight 21:23, 28 June 2012 (CDT)


 * With the Wind Seer and the Guard class, I think a single article is sufficient because the only difference is the change of a single Psynergy line in the lineup. There aren't any changes to statistics or class names to suggest that the two versions are completely different. For the various renames however, there was usually a specific reasoning behind them. Fire was reworked as a Utility Psynergy, while the other cases appear to have been renamed for purposes of clarity.


 * If the Aqua Squire was indeed a reworking of the Mariner class, I would expect a similar situation. But instead, we not only have a difference in Psynergy lineup, but a complete difference in class names, with little to imply a simple renaming, as with the Crusader class. If they were merged, the analysis part would be simple to handle; we could use the set up for the Samurai class series. But it would be harder to justify the differences in naming structure, since we really don't know if it is a simple case of renaming. --Sippyjuice 23:04, 28 June 2012 (CDT)


 * I don't agree with the merge. They're for two different (unrelated) characters. Sure the statistics are exactly the same and the Psynergy set-up is quite similar, but like Sippyjuice said, they're two different class series (by name). The Wind Seer, Guard, and Water Seer are merged because the same family member use the same class just one different Psynergy series. Piers and Amiti aren't related. Even though the statistics are the same, doesn't mean the class as a whole is.
 * Even if the pages were merged, I don't think it should be named Mariner. It's a warrior class series while Aqua Squire is a mage class series with warrior type Psynergy. The analysis section and trivia section would have to be split for both characters so readers don't get confused. It just makes it more confusing for newcomers. Chinkycandie 04:18, 29 June 2012 (CDT)