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Rethinking User Groups
well.. since we have had spam problems lately, I've been doing a multitude of quick fixes which are creating a bit of a mess. I'm proposing we rework our user structure (which is something that basically I and Erik do) This will give us a cleaner documentation of who has what privileges, and We can create custom groups such as "Adepts" for normal trusted users instead of "wikian" for example. (for the moment, I'm restricting page creation to admins only (sorry Hungry paperweight) then we can work this all out) ~ dkpat 11:32, 11 July 2011 (CDT)


 * No need to apologize to me. Aside from the occasional redirect, I don't think I'll need to make any new pages until I'm done with my current re-catigorization project, by which point this problem will probably have run its course. At any rate, I don't know much about user structure, so I trust those that do (you, Erik, and whoever else might be able to help) will come up with a workable solution. (In other words, I probably won't be of much help on this one ^_^;) The World&#39;s Hungriest Paperweight 11:43, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

Messed up Categories
We do have a bit of a problem at the root level of our categories. We have two different sets of categories. Category:Browse and Category:General and there is practically no link between them. Both are intended to be top level category... and both are.. but only one needs to be. I saw we stick with General and merge content in Browse over to it. (I can do it, just making sure everyone agrees)~ dkpat 10:33, 17 July 2011 (CDT)


 * Well, it looks like the General category has to do with the games themselves whereas the Browse category if for wiki stuff, so I don't know if just plain merging them is the best idea. Perhaps if we first moved all the content in the General category to Category:Golden Sun Series, then merged the two root categories together, making the Golden Sun series category a sub-cat of the root category. Sound good? The World&#39;s Hungriest Paperweight 13:03, 17 July 2011 (CDT)


 * Personally, I would rather do it the other way around. The user is much more concerned with content than policies. We have the Category:Golden Sun Universe that could easily be made to hold the wiki related stuff, it already does hold most of it. ~ dkpat 13:06, 17 July 2011 (CDT)
 * Again that is just my opinion, Either way, We do need to get rid of the two separate categories... it makes it hard to find pages for me sometimes ~ dkpat 13:18, 17 July 2011 (CDT)


 * (Edit conflict) That works too, and makes more sense. I just noticed the "series cat" first and thought it would make a better home for game-related info than the vague "General cat". For that matter, there's nothing stopping us from doing both, but if we have to choose I'd go with your plan ;) The World&#39;s Hungriest Paperweight 13:20, 17 July 2011 (CDT)


 * That's an odd category really... because under it was have items and such, but above it we have characters... I really would like some consistency there. I think, That The series category could be made to hold Golden Sun Media (games, cameos, etc.) and just move the information about the world to the general (items, for example) It just makes sense to me for thins that are deeply rooted in the world of golden sun to be on the same level as the real world games themselves. ~ dkpat 13:25, 17 July 2011 (CDT)


 * I guess that would work too, but the name is somewhat misleading. It suggests that it should be the top-level category for anything in the video games. Perhaps if we were to rename it something like Category:Golden Sun media? The World&#39;s Hungriest Paperweight 13:45, 17 July 2011 (CDT)


 * (This is a change that I will wait to make for sure) The readers of the wiki are just as interested (if not more interested) in the materials from the games as the games themselves. This makes them at least equally important, thus I think how I do. And I don't mind renaming it as such, but I understood the other one fine too. I can see where you might get confusion though. (essentially, I'm trying to get our top level to reflect the links on main page or vice-versa.) ~ dkpat 13:50, 17 July 2011 (CDT)


 * Trying to make sense of all the stuff being said here... I would have thought there to be no need for any sort of General category at all, and just make all things to do with the games and what's inside them be in Category:Golden Sun Series, while all things to do with the wiki and its policies be in Category:Golden Sun Universe. That seems to be perfectly reasonable for the common reader to be able to discern the site from the site's Golden Sun subject matter in category terms. It's not like there's any possible page that doesn't fall under either Category:Golden Sun Series or Category:Golden Sun Universe, right? As for the root issue, if there's some sort of big policy that prevents these two categories from existing as the two separate roots for whatever reason (two roots is what I'd probably advocate), then it seems simple to just make the GSU category the root that the GSS category is contained in. I don't think that would even throw off any of the readerbase in any way because all the wiki's articles about the Golden Sun series are still in a big set of categories belonging to the GSS master category anyway. Erik the Appreciator 14:19, 17 July 2011 (CDT)


 * To dkpat: When I mentioned that it sounds like the Series cat should be the top-level category, I wasn't suggesting that we put all game-content articles under that cat. I was just explaining why I believe the name to be misleading. I agree with you about most visitors would be more interested in going straight to things like Psynegy, Items, Monsters, and other stuff rather than wading through things like Camelot and Gameplay, which is why I suggested renaming the category.


 * To Erik: I don't know if there's any particular policy regarding root categories, but I'll admit that it's "cleaner" to have a single root category rather than two roots that go off in different directions. However, making either the Series cat or the Universe cat a sub-category of the other comes with it's own problems. In the case of having GSS under GSU, the information on the games would get lost in the sea of technical data. Flipping things around, putting GSU under GSS makes it harder to get to the stuff that keeps the wiki running. The average gamer probably wouldn't care much about that, though, so making GSS the root category might be the lesser of two evils.


 * To everyone: I think I have a new idea: We keep the General category as the root category, but move the majority of its contents to the Golden Sun Series category (and move the Series category's current contents to a new category, like the "Golden Sun media" idea I suggested). The end result will be that the General category will contain only two items, the Golden Sun Series cat and the Golden Sun Universe cat (and maybe the Main Page). The other two categories will then be able to act as two separate root categories while still being connected (think of them as "sub-roots"), which I believe was the original issue. The World&#39;s Hungriest Paperweight 14:44, 17 July 2011 (CDT)

Top Level Debate
I didn't intend to make it seem like I didn't agree with you, nor that you were suggesting we put it all under series, It more of a thought that came afterwards to serve as more justification that is easier to understand. I wanted to say it before I forgot about it so I simply put it in my next post. Also, I'm OK with the current plan as a whole, but I'm not sure if "Golden Sun Series" is a quite fitting name. It doesn't seem to properly embody all that we would put in it. Maybe it's just me though. Maybe name it like.. umm... umm... >_> Gameplay Elements.... no.. that conflicts with the game play category that is mechanics like... um... ~ dkpat 14:53, 17 July 2011 (CDT)

I've looked around at other NIWA wikis. and EAch seems to have a different way...
 * Metroid Wiki Does it how I proposed earlier, With Wiki Aspects in a category with Lore, Items, Games, Characters etc.
 * SmashWiki has a Category called Major, under which 4 categories that all relate to the franchise, this Major category is a member of the SmashWiki category.
 * Fire Emblem Wiki has a Top level which has a Wiki, Fire Emblem Universe, Images, and Real world categories underneath it.
 * ZeldaWiki does it very oddly, and has ZeldaWiki as their top level, and about 4 levels deep is their zelda category.
 * WiKirby has a Main category with the major components such as Items, Stages, Games and WiKirby category. The Main is also a member of Wikirby.

I'm sure there are many more with different ways too... just some ideas abound here! lol... ~ dkpat 15:08, 17 July 2011 (CDT)


 * What if we were to call the Golden Sun Series category just Golden Sun? anyone think that would work? I've sene some wikis do that. ~ dkpat 15:35, 17 July 2011 (CDT)


 * (Edit Conflict) The SmashWiki is actually a bit a lot more confusing than that: Major is under SmashWiki, SmashWiki is under Websites, Websites is under SSB Universe, and SSB Universe is under both Major and SmashWiki. Anyways, I guess this means there's no "right" way to do this, so we just need to find a way that works for us. And I'll agree that "Golden Sun Series" isn't the most accurate name. I have no problem using it, but if you want to come up with a better name I'll see if I can help. How does "Game content" or "Series content" sound? P.S. I think "Golden Sun" is a bit too vague. And that's ignoring the fact that the first game is just called "Golden Sun"... The World&#39;s Hungriest Paperweight 15:38, 17 July 2011 (CDT)
 * I think I like Series Content more than Game content. It seems to apply better when you consider the 4Koma comic and such. (unless we took a broader approach with real world content separated out like a lot of other do... which might work better, I'm not sure) ~ dkpat 15:50, 17 July 2011 (CDT)

Ok, so to summarize, We have two current options (I think) (Just to make it easier, I hope) ~ dkpat 20:57, 17 July 2011 (CDT)


 * I can't imagine "Real World content" would be very big. It's an idea to keep in mind if, say, a card game or anime is released, but even in those cases it would probably be easier to create sub-sub-roots within the "Series content" category, such as "Video Game content", "Anime content", and "Card Game content". So I'm going to vote for the first plan. P.S. I think the "content" in the cat titles looks better uncapitalized. But that's more my personal style than something worth debating, so whatever works works ;) The World&#39;s Hungriest Paperweight 10:20, 18 July 2011 (CDT)
 * Then Let's do it. :D ~ dkpat 10:34, 18 July 2011 (CDT)