Talk:Eclipse Tower

shouldn't this be Eclipse Tower (ie: "Eclipse Tower (originally known as Luna Tower)"), since that's what its encyclopedia entry is? Slax 21:05, 6 December 2010 (CST)
 * This should be called Eclipse Tower because it's called "Luna Tower" at first, but soon you hear characters say that "Eclipse Tower" is the tower's "original name". Erik the Appreciator 23:01, 18 December 2010 (CST)
 * really? I was under the impression it was called luna tower originally but had its name changed after the first Grave Eclipse (cuz... u'no, that makes sense, why would they change it from eclipse after it did exactly that?) though I could easily be getting the two the wrong way around, since I haven't gone back and replayed the game (and probably wont). Either way, if anyone can quote Kraden and Alex's conversation at the start of the eclipse, that states which one is the original and which one is the "new" name. Slax 00:27, 19 December 2010 (CST)
 * The dialogue I would have used as my evidence is different, though: even though the automated voice in the tower as its activating says "all personnel evacuate Luna Tower immediately", when you're in Belinsk Castle freeing Hou Ju a short time later it's Volechek that says something along the lines of "Ah... So you know Luna Tower's original name." But you see, its original name of Eclipse Tower is what the characters start referring to it as after the Grave Eclipse happens, like you say. Basically, it goes like this: long ago it was once called the Eclipse Tower by the ancients, but when they sealed it away it was given the alternative Luna Tower name. Once it caused the Grave Eclipse, the characters call it by its original Eclipse Tower name once again. Erik the Appreciator 01:39, 19 December 2010 (CST)
 * Just to confirm, since I note Erik just recently played through this section in his quote collection, it was originally called Eclipse Tower, then renamed Luna, then renamed back to Eclipse tower? Slax 00:58, 13 January 2011 (CST)

It was originally named Eclipse, was renamed Luna sometime before its being permanently sealed, was referred to as Eclipse by Kraden, which it continued to be called until the endgame sequence, where I seem to remember dialogue which states that the Tower has been renamed Sol Tower by the people of Belinsk. Tzion 01:23, 13 January 2011 (CST)

Not Destroyed?
Based on the fact that the tower was referred to by some in the post game cutscenes as Sol Tower and on dialogue spoken prior to that point (that Apollo Lens could force the tower to shut down), I feel that the tower was still intact and was either deactivated or "reversed", releasing the light it had gathered. Tzion 15:31, 6 February 2011 (CST)
 * Right, meaning that it's not physically destroyed. However, the threat it entails is what's destroyed, which is what the text pretty much implies when it says that Apollo Lens is used to destroy Eclipse Tower. Erik the Appreciator 15:40, 6 February 2011 (CST)

Alex Rebelled?
Hmm... Is this really the case? It was heavily implied at the end that the Umbra Clan was actually rebelling against the Tuaparang, so it could easily be said that Alex, as Arcanus, was acting as a double agent, and thus twarting their rebellion. While it's obvious to pretty much everyone that given the fact that he's Alex, he obviously had his own motives for doing so... Assuming that the Tuaparang are going to be recurring, and that he very well may not be done using them, it could be that his opposition to the Umbra Clan was more to appease the Tuaparang themselves, as he could have easily disappeared beforehand so as to do... whatever he did when he disappeared. Given the strength of the party at the time, it could be argued that Alex knew that Matthew's party was capable of victory at the time, and that his actions only served to reveal the existence of the Dark Adepts, and to possibly show some form of opposition to appease any others loyal to the Tuaparang, furthering his role a 'chessmaster' type villain... 75.60.182.188 05:56, 22 March 2011 (CDT)

Anemos and Luna-Eclipse tower relation?
Of course that is early to talk about this, but if the Moon is ancient Anemos... what kind of relation saves the tower with Anemos? Maybe a mechanism to take it back? I don´t remember if ingame dialogs tells about if the Moon stays while the Eclipse tower is working.

Maybe Alex tried to bring Anemos back?

Laurel aware to the party to don´t turns on the tower... maybe Anemos is a dangerous civilization that also keeps the essence of Dark element, and they are Touparang. In the first scenes of Dark Dawn intro, a floating ship is shown. The only capables to create that kind of artifacts where the Anemos civilization.

It´s possible that Alex tries to release light and dark elements to absorb them (or who knows how he expect to use it) in place of the part that The Wise One imbued on Isaac.

Blados and Chalis don´t seems to be humans, but Tuaparang´s army seems to be normal humans with their face fully covered. What happens if finally they have purple eyebrows?

The vortexes stills being a mistery for me, what do you think about this speculation?

I´m going to register in the Wiki as Grothias, to follow this discussion nearby.

Thanks for reading.


 * The idea of the moon being the ancient Anemos is still, at this point, just a legend that one old man in Contigo shares, meaning that whether or not the moon is the ancient Anemos itself is still not known for sure. That's why it's too early to talk about what the moon being Anemos could possibly mean for Eclipse Tower and how it uses the moon to spread darkness.


 * It's true that only the Anemos have been said to achieve the powers of flight, and their artifacts, like the Hover Jade, are what allows these in The Lost Age. It technically makes it possible that the flying Tuaparang dropships seen at the beginning and end of the game are flying with the help of Anemos artifacts, but for all we know, with the return of Alchemy and civilization to the world, other groups might have found their own ways to achieve flight that do not rely on Anemos things. That makes this another question we'd have to wait for a fourth game to answer.


 * The wiki has a page on speculated things in the games that are likelier than other types of speculation because of some hints and evidence that actually are in the games themselves. It would actually be better if you went to its talk page to discuss speculation. Thanks. Erik the Appreciator 17:23, 21 November 2011 (CST)


 * I think that if other groups have achieved flying capabilities so easily, Ivan as Anemos descendant will had discovered better ways than the Soarwing to ride the skies using the model of the Wings of Anemos. BTW, I went to the section and explained my two possible theories. Regards.